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sburnett21
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« on: April 19, 2011, 02:28:13 PM »

Well this is my first builder suggestion so constructive criticism would be nice, and don't flame.
this looks like a block of words because it is, deal with it, its not that bad.

The Orc Warrior:

Stats:
300hp
0mana
2 medium armor
150 piercing damage
standard movement speed
50 per hit
holds 100
max level 16

Story:
When this orc woke up in the wreck of his boat, and saw all his compaions dead, he when into a rampage. This rage subsided aftera while, and the orc saw creatures trying to hold off a titan. He vowed to help them and kill the titan.

Basically a version of tauren that can't tower at all, and has better long-term stats.

This builder is very simple with very little spells, but requires a lot of gold for the special skills.

Buildings:
shelter
200 hp
2 armour
20 lumber

wall (bunker)
300 hp
5 armor
50 lumber

Research Center (stronghold)
Contains some abilities for the builder

Contains the 4 100 health upgrades all builders have.

There are 8 health upgrades that each give 50 health.
Gold cost:
/3/4/5/6/7/8
Lumber cost:
100/200/300/400/500/600/700/800
(requires the ARC to be upgraded past level 2)

There are  9 armor upgrades that each give 2 armour.
Gold cost:
2/4/6/8/10/12/14/16/18
Lumber cost:
250/300/350/400/450/500/550/600/650
(requires the ARC to be upgraded past level 2)

Advanced Research Center  (great hall)
Cost:
25 gold
750 lumber
Contains the following spells and abilites.

Pillage
Cost:
35 gold
1000 lumber
Allows the orc to gain 300 lumber per hit on the titan and 200 lumber per hit on a minion under level 6
(above level 6 or at it makes it act like it is a titan)

Spell immune
Cost:
20 gold
3000 lumber
Makes you immune to all negative spells and effects for 60 seconds.2.5 minute cd

Rage
Cost:
20 gold
1250 lumber
Gives the orc builder an aura of rage, giving himself and all allies +30% damage in a range of 200, does not work on buildings.

Feral Cry
Cost:
15 gold
1000 lumber
Allows the orc to cry out with his pain at his lost friends and kin. Stuns the titan and minions in an area of 500 for 1.5 seconds.

Critical Hit
Cost:
20 gold
1250 lumber
gives a 3% chance to do 150% current damage.

Spiked Carapace
Cost:
35 gold
2000 lumber
Deals 25% of damage dealt to you back to that which dealt it.

Super towers:

Glaive Launcher
requires Advanced Research Center 1
Cost:
100 gold
2500 lumber
no attack
must be itemized to be of use.
As an item it adds 15 damage, a slow attack, and you steal the enemies armor with each attack(3 armor)
nonstacking. Also gives you +20% attack speed.

Tainted Cenarius's Horn
Cost:
135 gold
3500 lumber
no attack
must be itemized to be of use.
As an item it grants you bonus health regen, and you can summon 4 chaos peons.
Chaos Peon
500 hp
10 armour
70 chaos damage
lasts for 1 minute
3.5minute cooldown.
Note: Each peon gives the titan 7(?) gold and aot of experience. Be wary of feeding the titan with these.




Changes:
  • Conception~April 29- Some changes and balancing issuees.
  • April 29- Reworked Armour cost.

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We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2011, 04:24:16 PM »

NO ICONS
NO MODELS
NO SERVICE
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2011, 04:34:50 PM »

Then were do you get models and icons?
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We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2011, 04:35:52 PM »

I made this for idiots like you.
http://www.islanddefense.org/forum/index.php/topic,2075.0.html
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2011, 09:59:52 PM »

Fixed, and any ideas about chaos peons?
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We need summoning powder first.

We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2011, 01:20:51 AM »

Lol'd

Its funny that you suggested an Orc builder a couple of days after mine. :p
I like it though. But balance the Frenzy aura to like 15%. :p

Oh Yeah btw while you're at it. Balance these as well. way too OP. An Orc with I think was 8 (fort) armour, With spell immunity, Splash Damage +50% bloodlust all the time, 5% chance to deal 200% extra damage and 30% spiked carapace AND an extra +50% damage?

This guy would Literally be The chuck norris of Island Defense.
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2011, 08:44:39 AM »

Lol'd

Its funny that you suggested an Orc builder a couple of days after mine. :p
I like it though. But balance the Frenzy aura to like 15%. :p

Oh Yeah btw while you're at it. Balance these as well. way too OP. An Orc with I think was 8 (fort) armour, With spell immunity, Splash Damage +50% bloodlust all the time, 5% chance to deal 200% extra damage and 30% spiked carapace AND an extra +50% damage?

This guy would Literally be The chuck norris of Island Defense.


#1 ok
#2 20(after all upgrades) regular armor which costs 225 gold, and 10,350 lumber
#3 spell immune, that costs 40 gold and 3000 lumber
#4 Splash damage is only 100 aoe, and costs 20 gold and 1500 lumber, but that can go down to say 75 aoe.
#5 Bloodlust does need the nerf, so like 30%? aoe 200?
#6 changed to 3%, and its only double damage, sat has a huge crit
#7 It costs 35 gold 2000 lumber, but 25%?
#8 30% and only 200 aoe work for you?

all the gold costs do not count the arcs, and the spells/abilites all need the first arc to make the second arc. thats 40 gold and 1750 lumber before you get anything.
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We need summoning powder first.

We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
Quote from: Neco
Copying a certain arrangement of bytes in a manner dictated by other users isn't stealing.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2011, 02:19:26 PM »

With a builder it's really a better idea to focus on either defense or offense. When the builder is specialized in both, you get something that is just far too overpowered.

On a side note, his upgrades cost 546 gold! That's just ridiculous. I realize you want to give him strong abilities, but upping the gold cost instead of lowering the effect is not going to work. You're never going to get that much gold in a typical game. If it costs that much to get him to full power, perhaps he is just too strong. Again, I suggest focusing on either defense or offense if you want him to be a hunter type of builder.


Also, what type of armor does he have, and what type of damage? What are his base stats and his stat gain per level?
How does his lumber harvesting system work? Does he have harvesters or does his lumber all come from his own harvesting?
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2011, 07:42:17 PM »

With a builder it's really a better idea to focus on either defense or offense. When the builder is specialized in both, you get something that is just far too overpowered.

On a side note, his upgrades cost 546 gold! That's just ridiculous. I realize you want to give him strong abilities, but upping the gold cost instead of lowering the effect is not going to work. You're never going to get that much gold in a typical game. If it costs that much to get him to full power, perhaps he is just too strong. Again, I suggest focusing on either defense or offense if you want him to be a hunter type of builder.


Also, what type of armor does he have, and what type of damage? What are his base stats and his stat gain per level?
How does his lumber harvesting system work? Does he have harvesters or does his lumber all come from his own harvesting?
its actually 571, but yea that is ridiculous. if you look at the armour upgrade for him theres alot of the gold.  it costs 225 gold for just the armour of your hero. each one goes up by 5. If you change it to +1 for every new one, starting at say 15, then yes, the cost goes down alot. from 225 for just armor to 171, which drops the cost by 54.

But this doesn't matter, numbers can change, and idea like that are what are needed.
His armor is medium, his attack type is piercing. I don't know about his stats gains, but he has no harvesters.
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We need summoning powder first.

We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
Quote from: Neco
Copying a certain arrangement of bytes in a manner dictated by other users isn't stealing.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2011, 09:43:04 PM »

What are his base stats and his stat gain per level?

Well what do you think are good base stats, and stats per level? don't just ask a buncha questions, give ideas too.


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We need summoning powder first.

We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
Quote from: Neco
Copying a certain arrangement of bytes in a manner dictated by other users isn't stealing.
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2011, 02:59:55 AM »

No..n this is.beyond chuck norris... This is chuck.norris.his dad...
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2011, 04:49:52 AM »

No..n this is.beyond chuck norris... This is chuck.norris.his dad...
Oh
No..n this is.beyond chuck norris... This is chuck.norris.his dad...


Holy Crap. Was Chuck norris's dad like a incredibly muscular bill gates? Cus he'd have to be to afford all of those upgrades.
XD i kid.
True though, The fact that all the upgrades cost 546 gold,( I can't even get that much in a game where the titan's a mentally retarded 3 year old over the course of 2 hours.)
You can't really change the prices though, these upgrades, in my mind are still OP. You'd either need to nerf them hard and re-do teh pricees. or give up. Either way is cool.
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2011, 08:17:49 AM »


Spell immune
Cost:
20 gold
3000 lumber
Makes you immune to all negative spells and effects for 60 seconds.

That better as a start to change?
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We need summoning powder first.

We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
Quote from: Neco
Copying a certain arrangement of bytes in a manner dictated by other users isn't stealing.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2011, 05:38:40 PM »

It's about time I got the recognition I deserve!

No, but srsly, aren't we supposed to avoid normal warcraft 3 races? =P
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2011, 05:48:28 PM »

It's about time I got the recognition I deserve!

No, but srsly, aren't we supposed to avoid normal warcraft 3 races? =P
Since when?
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2011, 06:58:29 PM »

It's about time I got the recognition I deserve!

No, but srsly, aren't we supposed to avoid normal warcraft 3 races? =P
Since when?
Since when are builder suggestion spammed with this?
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We need summoning powder first.

We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
Quote from: Neco
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2011, 09:37:14 PM »

It's about time I got the recognition I deserve!

No, but srsly, aren't we supposed to avoid normal warcraft 3 races? =P
Yeah, avoid all wc3 races. You know, like the  draenei and murlocs.
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2011, 09:42:10 PM »

It's about time I got the recognition I deserve!

No, but srsly, aren't we supposed to avoid normal warcraft 3 races? =P
Yeah, avoid all wc3 races. You know, like the  draenei and murlocs.
meant like night elf, undead, human, orcs.

dumbass lo
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2011, 10:41:53 PM »

It's about time I got the recognition I deserve!

No, but srsly, aren't we supposed to avoid normal warcraft 3 races? =P
Yeah, avoid all wc3 races. You know, like the  draenei and murlocs.
meant like night elf, undead, human, orcs.

dumbass lo
Duh.
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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2011, 02:20:44 AM »

What about the Huntress?
I know shes other versions but still.

It doesnt matter about the Race anywho. All that matters is that the builder is fun to play with, and BALANCED.

Btw. That Spell shield is a better alternative to the other.
Oh yeah, Is this guy a fel orc builder or normal orc? me forgets.

Oh yeah, check out this Alternative to the orc builder.
Whoo selfless Promotion!
http://www.islanddefense.org/forum/index.php/topic,2834.0.html
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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2011, 05:16:30 AM »

It's about time I got the recognition I deserve!

No, but srsly, aren't we supposed to avoid normal warcraft 3 races? =P
Yeah, avoid all wc3 races. You know, like the  draenei and murlocs.
meant like night elf, undead, human, orcs.

dumbass lo
Pretty stupid in my honest opinion.
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2011, 10:04:06 AM »

What about the Huntress?
I know shes other versions but still.

It doesnt matter about the Race anywho. All that matters is that the builder is fun to play with, and BALANCED.

Btw. That Spell shield is a better alternative to the other.
Oh yeah, Is this guy a fel orc builder or normal orc? me forgets.

Oh yeah, check out this Alternative to the orc builder.
Whoo selfless Promotion!
http://www.islanddefense.org/forum/index.php/topic,2834.0.html
The model would be a orc grunt, and nice self promotion.
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We need summoning powder first.

We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2011, 10:09:58 AM »

With a builder it's really a better idea to focus on either defense or offense. When the builder is specialized in both, you get something that is just far too overpowered.

On a side note, his upgrades cost 546 gold! That's just ridiculous. I realize you want to give him strong abilities, but upping the gold cost instead of lowering the effect is not going to work. You're never going to get that much gold in a typical game. If it costs that much to get him to full power, perhaps he is just too strong. Again, I suggest focusing on either defense or offense if you want him to be a hunter type of builder.


Also, what type of armor does he have, and what type of damage? What are his base stats and his stat gain per level?
How does his lumber harvesting system work? Does he have harvesters or does his lumber all come from his own harvesting?

If your worried about gold then thats a problem. Look at how much lumber is needed. You would need 32,350 lumber for all the upgrades and the arcs. This is alot seeing how he is the only lumberer.
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We need summoning powder first.

We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
Quote from: Neco
Copying a certain arrangement of bytes in a manner dictated by other users isn't stealing.
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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2011, 12:40:19 PM »

With a builder it's really a better idea to focus on either defense or offense. When the builder is specialized in both, you get something that is just far too overpowered.

On a side note, his upgrades cost 546 gold! That's just ridiculous. I realize you want to give him strong abilities, but upping the gold cost instead of lowering the effect is not going to work. You're never going to get that much gold in a typical game. If it costs that much to get him to full power, perhaps he is just too strong. Again, I suggest focusing on either defense or offense if you want him to be a hunter type of builder.


Also, what type of armor does he have, and what type of damage? What are his base stats and his stat gain per level?
How does his lumber harvesting system work? Does he have harvesters or does his lumber all come from his own harvesting?

If your worried about gold then thats a problem. Look at how much lumber is needed. You would need 32,350 lumber for all the upgrades and the arcs. This is alot seeing how he is the only lumberer.

My point was that nothing seems to be thought out with this builder.
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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2011, 02:16:22 PM »

With a builder it's really a better idea to focus on either defense or offense. When the builder is specialized in both, you get something that is just far too overpowered.

On a side note, his upgrades cost 546 gold! That's just ridiculous. I realize you want to give him strong abilities, but upping the gold cost instead of lowering the effect is not going to work. You're never going to get that much gold in a typical game. If it costs that much to get him to full power, perhaps he is just too strong. Again, I suggest focusing on either defense or offense if you want him to be a hunter type of builder.


Also, what type of armor does he have, and what type of damage? What are his base stats and his stat gain per level?
How does his lumber harvesting system work? Does he have harvesters or does his lumber all come from his own harvesting?

If your worried about gold then thats a problem. Look at how much lumber is needed. You would need 32,350 lumber for all the upgrades and the arcs. This is alot seeing how he is the only lumberer.

My point was that nothing seems to be thought out with this builder.

My point in this is to have a builder where it Is Impossible to have every upgrade. It makes it so you Have to pick and choose what you want and what you don't. It also reinforces the idea of hideing your builings like arcs. If you think this builder is surposed to be able to get every thing then you have a problem. In the case you hav an idea of, haveing everything, you would have basers with multiple super towers. If you were magnataur, and you had too amny choices to get them all, which would you choose? This isthat idea. The idea of being able to pick what you want, but not everything. New idea, think about it.
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We need summoning powder first.

We make it from the blood of a chocobo, bone powder of a Bremetar, the fine ass hairs of a P0ny, and congealed heart of an Accer.

Plus a couple oranges, a slice of bread, and a single peanut.
Quote from: Neco
Copying a certain arrangement of bytes in a manner dictated by other users isn't stealing.
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