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« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2009, 01:51:44 PM »

I know perfectly well what you meant. I do, however, have to respectfully disagree with you. If you claim Bodyahmemr is not better than the common pub at balancing I just lost a whole lot of respect for you.
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« Reply #51 on: April 23, 2009, 02:53:13 PM »

I know perfectly well what you meant. I do, however, have to respectfully disagree with you. If you claim Bodyahmemr is not better than the common pub at balancing I just lost a whole lot of respect for you.

yes, i did claim that bodyhammer is not any better than the common pub at balancing.

go attempt to discredit me by critiquing my skill level, instead of something logical like any of the changes i have suggested in the past =)

also in the partial release i saw nothing that wasn't a bugfix or minor.

also in the 5 minutes you did talk to me, the major point of contention was that not only would you be unable to make the right balance changes, but any good suggested balance changes would be unable to be implemented by an inexperienced coders.

it was at that point that you informed me as well as the rest of the channel that you had learned jass and would be able to implement the necessary changes to the game.

now if you knew jass, why would you be asking panda in the second admin forum to recode several major things in gui, eh?
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« Reply #52 on: April 23, 2009, 03:29:20 PM »

I think Bodys worst problem is time. He does not only have to learn JASS, but also get used to using it. As for balance that is something I think he will be able to handle quite well once he gets used to the editor. The forum is actively supplying him with suggestions so it's not like he have to figure it out all by himself.

The reaon why the partial release only contained bugfixes and minor changes might be because it's just that, partial.
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« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2009, 04:49:11 PM »

Play nice people.
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« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2009, 04:53:05 PM »

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« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2009, 09:27:26 AM »

It's funny how petty you are being right now, and how outright wrong you are. 

yes, i did claim that bodyhammer is not any better than the common pub at balancing.

go attempt to discredit me by critiquing my skill level, instead of something logical like any of the changes i have suggested in the past =)

Oddly enough in two particular threads made recently, you posted two lists of changes.  Ironically most of these changes I not only agreed with, but stated before myself.

If you're going to use these changes you suggested as the basis for how much better you know balance, congratulations, now we're both pub level.

also in the partial release i saw nothing that wasn't a bugfix or minor.

Congratulations, you have just now pointed out something I have not only made repeated posts to explain what 302 would be on .com, but what I also just said in my last post here.

302 was always meant to be geared towards bug fixing and some other minor changes I wanted to get in.  Because panda has changed so much recently, I wanted everyone to sit through a version of those changes that way when people go on to the forum to bitch and moan about changes, everyone is actually on the same page of what they are actually playing.

also in the 5 minutes you did talk to me, the major point of contention was that not only would you be unable to make the right balance changes, but any good suggested balance changes would be unable to be implemented by an inexperienced coders.

Funny, this is your take on it, and not what I said at all.  You can read into what I say whatever you like, but it doesn't make it true.

it was at that point that you informed me as well as the rest of the channel that you had learned jass and would be able to implement the necessary changes to the game.

I like how you use this to connect the next point you make, when this is false as well.  I've said numerous times I am not the greatest at Jass, I'm simply willing to learn.  One does not simply "learn jass".  Everything you do is different.  You don't pick up a book one day and BAM, you now know world history.  This is an incredibly petty point and makes no sense at all.

However for your sake and the sake of anyone reading this, I will repeat.  I'm far from the greatest in using Jass, and I'm not in the top 10 in using the WE.  The main, and important, difference between me and most people is that instead of sitting back and bitching about the direction the map is going when I don't like something, I'm sacrificing my personal time to try to MAKE it better.

now if you knew jass, why would you be asking panda in the second admin forum to recode several major things in gui, eh?

I invite you right now to have adam, who still has access to said forum, to go through it and repost here one single time I have ever asked Panda to recode anything.

Seriously.

When he doesn't find a single thing, this means you are simply talking out of your ass right now.

And before you try to come up with some lame "you probably will delete or edit it out before he can" have adam check the admin logs and look. 

Most of what is in the Editards forum is me asking panda questions and clarifications to things HE has done to speed the process of finding things, or things we are simultaniously talking about, or things I am asking his imput on.  Even then, 90% of THAT is in relation to bugs only.
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« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2009, 10:26:42 AM »

rofl so since all of the balance changes are taken from me, then i'm pub level.
i don't even know where to start, ur logic is very funny  Smiley

how can someone determine their proficiency at balancing a game when they cite that their major changes came from me.

in other words, how can you make the comparison between your knowledge of the game balance being pub level to my knowledge of game balance when you're not doing much at all outside of a few necessary fixes that i suggested monthes ago. your part in this balancing is minimal when it's not coming from you.

admin log only captures the topic number and who deleted the relevant topic when it comes to deleted topics. so for this it would be unable to tell whether the topic asking for help in the Ask Pandamime for Editing Help board concerning gui and jass coding was deleted, or the topic in the admin only forum where pandamime asked whether you should be an admin, to which adam said he didn't care and i said no.
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« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2009, 10:32:12 AM »

rofl so since all of the balance changes are taken from me, then i'm pub level.
i don't even know where to start, ur logic is very funny  Smiley

how can someone determine their proficiency at balancing a game when they cite that their major changes came from me.


I know you LIKE to give yourself more credit than you are due, but you should reread that again.  The only new concept you introduced that was alien to me previously was the Radio hunters Nitro skill.  The rest as I said up there, I agreed with.  Not that you introduced it, only that it mirrored my thoughts.

in other words, how can you make the comparison between your knowledge of the game balance being pub level to my knowledge of game balance when you're not doing much at all outside of a few necessary fixes that i suggested monthes ago. your part in this balancing is minimal when it's not coming from you.

Read above.  It's a straw man tactic regardless and I could ask the same.  Most of your recent suggestions are just common sense stuff everyone else on the forum was saying.  Give back vision of the titans inventory.  Bring back item shops.  Drainei army is too strong.   Pirate is too strong.  Oh shit, stop the presses.  How did anyone not see these things without you!? 

admin log only captures the topic number and who deleted the relevant topic when it comes to deleted topics. so for this it would be unable to tell whether the topic asking for help in the Ask Pandamime for Editing Help board concerning gui and jass coding was deleted, or the topic in the admin only forum where pandamime asked whether you should be an admin, to which adam said he didn't care and i said no.

Regardless of all of that, you're dodging my point.  And my point was you're making shit up.

Also highlighted in bold is not remotely what you just said previously and I replied to.  What you are NOW talking about (if it's the same thread) is still there alive and well.  Yeah, I want to learn more so I wanted to know if he know of other sites.  I'm not seeing the problem here unless your point against me is still "i don't know jass" as an all encompassing entity.  At which point you are entirely correct. That's great and all, find me someone who can do absolutely anything in jass with no issue and I'll gladly suck him off in an attempt to bring him in as editor.
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« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2009, 11:02:22 AM »

Keep it going, this is getting interesting.
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« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2009, 12:10:43 PM »

the only 2 points that are even relevant are whether you can code proficiently and whether you know balance well enough to edit the game.

to the first one you said no---but you're learning despite giving the impression in the channel that you were quite proficient; to quote yourself, "it's not hard it's just that most people don't put the time and effort into doing it."

to the second you claim that you look to others for game balances, and in particular my ancient thread that i made monthes ago.

i don't really take any part in game balancing suggestions anymore, this whole "vote" system is retarded since the public really doesn't know shit when it comes to balance and i don't really believe that you do either. citing the minor release as an attribute to yourself does nothing at all to the refutation of this point either, since as you claim yourself that the release was only intended to be minor bugfixes.

this is my opinion and coming here to argue with me on my level doesn't serve you any good because nothing you have done so far refutes this at all. at the very least i wish you luck with editing but i don't see it coming to any good. go prove me wrong instead of this irrelevant discussion.
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« Reply #60 on: April 24, 2009, 12:15:06 PM »

Though I guess it'll end that body and murs don't like each other.

Wich is sad :/


The good thing about murs is that he is ALWAYS right when it comes to ID.
Sry, but I've never seen him fail on that subject.
Murs is probably pissed cause he was asked to resign as admin (dunno by whom). He provokes you and you got nothing better to do then jump in.
And now you're flaming each other all over the place Cheesy

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« Reply #61 on: April 24, 2009, 12:27:52 PM »


to the first one you said no---but you're learning despite giving the impression in the channel that you were quite proficient; to quote yourself, "it's not hard it's just that most people don't put the time and effort into doing it."

There is nothing in what you just quoted however that makes any claim of my proficiency level.   Anyone can learn Jass.  There is no inherent default learning curve in Jass that makes that impossible and that's all that comment really meant.

As to the rest, I'm in agreement, it IS pointless which is why I called you on it in the first place and said you would have to wait and see rather than making assumptions based on a complete lack of any evidence.

You can write the conversation and points off if you want, but on break at work I have nothing better to do anyway, so I can promise if you make an unfounded accusation against me, I am certainly going to call you on it.

That said, no matter what I do, I'm going to be in the wrong, I knew that going into this and I accept that.   I'm going to fuck up, there's no way around it.  And when that happens, those times no matter how minor, major or few, are going to be the basis for what people say of my ability.  This has always been the case and that doesn't bother me either.  I'll fix those, and move on to making more screw potential mistakes.

The last thing I'll really say is i'm not doing this out of a love for editing.  I don't get tingles running down my leg when I get home then run to the WE.  I'm doing this simply because I want to see the map continued because I enjoy playing it.

Edit: And no, I don't hate Murs. I simply think he was way out of line with his post and I'm calling him on that.  Adults can have disagreements without hating each other. Tongue

That and I'm running on 2 days with very little sleep, thus prone to be more bitchy than usual.
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« Reply #62 on: April 24, 2009, 12:41:03 PM »

And then we will all be laughing at purple butterflies.

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« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2009, 12:42:56 PM »

Good thing you have somebody that got your back body. Get home so you can start working again, BITCH!
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« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2009, 02:29:05 PM »

On a completely separate note, can I get unbanned from .com?
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« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2009, 09:35:04 AM »

The main, and important, difference between me and most people is that instead of sitting back and bitching about the direction the map is going when I don't like something, I'm sacrificing my personal time to try to MAKE it better.

i would sacrifice my personal time but sadly i got no unprtected copy Sad

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« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2009, 06:24:29 AM »

Send me a photo of your mother and I'll consider.
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« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2010, 05:42:42 PM »

Why no more ID? The latest map is fairly well balanced and fully playable. And after bodyhammer took over the otehr map it's starting to look good.

Lol @ how well this turned out.
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« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2010, 06:07:09 AM »

Why no more ID? The latest map is fairly well balanced and fully playable. And after bodyhammer took over the otehr map it's starting to look good.

Lol @ how well this turned out.

See, this is the good kind of necros we need.

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« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2010, 10:45:44 PM »

thread is so old, it still has jming! and d1re! god wheres that chainsaw gone.. i gotta find my necronomicon
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« Reply #70 on: June 27, 2010, 03:33:41 AM »

jming was a fucking retard

d1re was ok, good trolling target, but he's still here, he posts occasionally
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« Reply #71 on: July 15, 2010, 07:03:46 PM »

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