It has been a good run

[Zen1400]

panda actually listens... it's just you have to make a suggestion for everything and he doesn't really do something... clever on his own.

Yeah that's great, unless its something against his ideas, then your crazy and know nothing about ID and how there are things happening which you don't know about bs answer.

[Ban-Kai13]

panda actually listens... it's just you have to make a suggestion for everything and he doesn't really do something... clever on his own.

Yeah that's great, unless its something against his ideas, then your crazy and know nothing about ID and how there are things happening which you don't know about bs answer.

Panda doesn't listen much. Did you see how many people disagreed on Health Packs?

[DrMystic]

the light?

lawl u know we only play darox version because panda locked lee's suggestions on .com right?

vouch.

[Ryld]

Murs posted this topic on .com in offtopic section and panda removed it in something like 2 hours lawl.

[kyleep]

Take a look at how many suggestions are locked.  Does he not want to hear something?

[Revengez]

murs doesnt want to hear me  cause i have an orange dot that looksl ike an orange

[Aflacduck]

Murs posted this topic on .com in offtopic section and panda removed it in something like 2 hours lawl.

I think Chrono owes a certain sensei his account!

[evo]

Murs posted this topic on .com in offtopic section and panda removed it in something like 2 hours lawl.

I think Chrono owes a certain sensei his account!

WRONGGG.

kyleep sensei only said "if panda locks it"

notice how he didn't say delete :P

[Striker]

panda actually listens... it's just you have to make a suggestion for everything and he doesn't really do something... clever on his own.

Yeah that's great, unless its something against his ideas, then your crazy and know nothing about ID and how there are things happening which you don't know about bs answer.

Panda doesn't listen much. Did you see how many people disagreed on Health Packs?

You don't see any disagreement. Panda deleted all the posts who disagreed with it.

Edit: Also, one of the main reason people switched to Panda's version was because there was really nothing else to play for awhile, and people would scream "GET THE NEW VERSION" if you hosted 2.8.5c.

[murs]

revengez ur mute expires in one day.
i don't give out yellow dots anymore because god knows i don't have the patience to read all those post-mod posts.

any more cry from u and i'll increase it by 2 weeks.

[ClicketyClick]

revengez ur mute expires in one day.
i don't give out yellow dots anymore because god knows i don't have the patience to read all those post-mod posts.

any more cry from u and i'll increase it by 2 weeks.

y u keeps buning me on all accs?

[Ninja_Sheep]

Panda doesn't listen much. Did you see how many people disagreed on Health Packs?

I never said he'd listen to the majority.
The complains about health packs is also a great prove why public opinion fails.
No offence, but HP tomes had to be fixed long ago.

Yeah that's great, unless its something against his ideas, then your crazy and know nothing about ID and how there are things happening which you don't know about bs answer.

I'm sorry about my ignorance and talking despite I have no idea what I say.
You'll sure be so kind and tell me.
For example that nature bullshit he did. No doubt it's BS. But if you make a good suggestion how to fix it it'll probably get fixed.

[D1RE]

Panda doesn't listen much. Did you see how many people disagreed on Health Packs?

I never said he'd listen to the majority.
The complains about health packs is also a great prove why public opinion fails.
No offence, but HP tomes had to be fixed long ago.

Yeah that's great, unless its something against his ideas, then your crazy and know nothing about ID and how there are things happening which you don't know about bs answer.

I'm sorry about my ignorance and talking despite I have no idea what I say.
You'll sure be so kind and tell me.
For example that nature bullshit he did. No doubt it's BS. But if you make a good suggestion how to fix it it'll probably get fixed.

Lee did and it was locked.

[Ninja_Sheep]

y, cause panda is easily insulted.

To him Lee probably sounded like:

YOU FUCKING SUCKER YOU FUCKED UP NATURE! CHANGE THIS AND THAT YOU FUCKING MORON!

would be for you.


And I dont really say panda is perfect, just try to get along with him.
Unless ofc you find some serius mapper to whom daroxs can give the map and who can make further ID versions.

Complaining won't help, although that'd be nice :<

[Sipondo]

Now just wait for someone who continues Darox' ID.

[D1RE]

Taking anything personal when you run a project like panda is doing is already a mistake. It clouds your judgement and you get biased opinions when someone suggests something. I do not believe that flaming is good, constructive or something that should be taken lightly, but it should simply be dealt with and then he should move on.

Now, if you read lee's suggestion you would know very well that he was not flaming panda in it. He said that panda had made a mistake and asked for it to be corrected.

[kyleep]

Panda doesn't listen much. Did you see how many people disagreed on Health Packs?

I never said he'd listen to the majority.
The complains about health packs is also a great prove why public opinion fails.
No offence, but HP tomes had to be fixed long ago.

Yeah that's great, unless its something against his ideas, then your crazy and know nothing about ID and how there are things happening which you don't know about bs answer.

I'm sorry about my ignorance and talking despite I have no idea what I say.
You'll sure be so kind and tell me.
For example that nature bullshit he did. No doubt it's BS. But if you make a good suggestion how to fix it it'll probably get fixed.

Lee did and it was locked.

I didn't do anything.  Murs did on his own free will.  I already predicted that it would get locked, or in this case removed.  "I would post this on .com, but I know that the topic would just get locked, like all the other posts panda doesn't like."  Even bet chronosphere my bnet account that it would get removed within 1 day; and it only lasted about 2 hrs.

Panda doesn't listen much. Did you see how many people disagreed on Health Packs?

I never said he'd listen to the majority.
The complains about health packs is also a great prove why public opinion fails.
No offence, but HP tomes had to be fixed long ago.

Yeah that's great, unless its something against his ideas, then your crazy and know nothing about ID and how there are things happening which you don't know about bs answer.

I'm sorry about my ignorance and talking despite I have no idea what I say.
You'll sure be so kind and tell me.
For example that nature bullshit he did. No doubt it's BS. But if you make a good suggestion how to fix it it'll probably get fixed.

Suggestions, concern, and comments have been made about it.  Check out his posts; he has this fixed idea that it balanced now.  His argument is that people havn't even played it enough to know how bad it is.  I don't think he, himself plays nature enough to know how to change it.

[Ryld]

Ninja, why should we try to get along with Panda if he is an egotistical dictator who deletes every thing he disagrees with even if it is politely phrased like lee's suggestions?  There was nothing wrong with hp tomes, which shows how public opinion was right.  Panda surrounded himself with a bunch of new, inexperienced beta/alpha testers who he easily controls and don't have any opinions independent of his suggestions.  Ie that Grimn1y guy.

[D1RE]

Ok, let's get a little historical, shall we? In the old roman culture there was an upper class. The boys of these families were all trained as soldiers and leaders. They commanded the roman legions, and they would go first into battle, willing to fight and die, not only as, but also for, even the lowest man in the army. These were the elite soldiers, they had knowledge far beyond what the common soldier had. They had the whole picture and they knew what they were doing.

How does this apply to ID you may ask? Simple. In the same way as the romans, the ID community also have an upper class. These are the players with extreme knowledge of the, a good grasp on all races and are specialists in a least one. I could mention a lot of names, but I'll just use lee here as an example. Lee is quite possibly the best nature player we have. He has mastered the race, he knows everything about it, and he knows how to use that knowledge in the game.

Now, I do not know panda well enough as a player to say that he doesn't belong amongst those players, but chances are, he don't. He's beyond doubt a good player, but not quite there in the top. With this assumption the players best suited to judge how good a change to a race is are those who have truly mastered it. These players know what is going on, they know how a change will affect the race before even trying it out, since they know how the race work, it's limits and what aspects of the race they should exploit to achieve maximum effectiveness. When lee says that nature has become weak now, I believe him. I would take his word for it, even if I hadn't tested it myself.

Working as an editor in an ungrateful job. No matter what you do, you will step on someones toes. Someone will always disagree with you. But they point isn't to please the largest amount of players, it's working towards creating a better map. Pandamime have this attitude, he truly wants the best for the map. He will, however, not listen to those in the best position to speak. Those with the larger picture, those who sit with both the overview and the details. These players who know how a change will affect the map. That, is pandas worst mistake. Because if he had been more considerate to the top players, and been willing to accept that he might be wrong, then he could truly have made the best ID map.

[Lord_Kamakazie]

Ok, let's get a little historical, shall we? In the old roman culture there was an upper class. The boys of these families were all trained as soldiers and leaders. They commanded the roman legions, and they would go first into battle, willing to fight and die, not only as, but also for, even the lowest man in the army. These were the elite soldiers, they had knowledge far beyond what the common soldier had. They had the whole picture and they knew what they were doing.

How does this apply to ID you may ask? Simple. In the same way as the romans, the ID community also have an upper class. These are the players with extreme knowledge of the, a good grasp on all races and are specialists in a least one. I could mention a lot of names, but I'll just use lee here as an example. Lee is quite possibly the best nature player we have. He has mastered the race, he knows everything about it, and he knows how to use that knowledge in the game.

Now, I do not know panda well enough as a player to say that he doesn't belong amongst those players, but chances are, he don't. He's beyond doubt a good player, but not quite there in the top. With this assumption the players best suited to judge how good a change to a race is are those who have truly mastered it. These players know what is going on, they know how a change will affect the race before even trying it out, since they know how the race work, it's limits and what aspects of the race they should exploit to achieve maximum effectiveness. When lee says that nature has become weak now, I believe him. I would take his word for it, even if I hadn't tested it myself.

Working as an editor in an ungrateful job. No matter what you do, you will step on someones toes. Someone will always disagree with you. But they point isn't to please the largest amount of players, it's working towards creating a better map. Pandamime have this attitude, he truly wants the best for the map. He will, however, not listen to those in the best position to speak. Those with the larger picture, those who sit with both the overview and the details. These players who know how a change will affect the map. That, is pandas worst mistake. Because if he had been more considerate to the top players, and been willing to accept that he might be wrong, then he could truly have made the best ID map.

your grammar is backwards d1re

[Formal]

Good speach D1re.  Down with Panda!

[D1RE]

Ok, let's get a little historical, shall we? In the old roman culture there was an upper class. The boys of these families were all trained as soldiers and leaders. They commanded the roman legions, and they would go first into battle, willing to fight and die, not only as, but also for, even the lowest man in the army. These were the elite soldiers, they had knowledge far beyond what the common soldier had. They had the whole picture and they knew what they were doing.

How does this apply to ID you may ask? Simple. In the same way as the romans, the ID community also have an upper class. These are the players with extreme knowledge of the, a good grasp on all races and are specialists in a least one. I could mention a lot of names, but I'll just use lee here as an example. Lee is quite possibly the best nature player we have. He has mastered the race, he knows everything about it, and he knows how to use that knowledge in the game.

Now, I do not know panda well enough as a player to say that he doesn't belong amongst those players, but chances are, he don't. He's beyond doubt a good player, but not quite there in the top. With this assumption the players best suited to judge how good a change to a race is are those who have truly mastered it. These players know what is going on, they know how a change will affect the race before even trying it out, since they know how the race work, it's limits and what aspects of the race they should exploit to achieve maximum effectiveness. When lee says that nature has become weak now, I believe him. I would take his word for it, even if I hadn't tested it myself.

Working as an editor in an ungrateful job. No matter what you do, you will step on someones toes. Someone will always disagree with you. But they point isn't to please the largest amount of players, it's working towards creating a better map. Pandamime have this attitude, he truly wants the best for the map. He will, however, not listen to those in the best position to speak. Those with the larger picture, those who sit with both the overview and the details. These players who know how a change will affect the map. That, is pandas worst mistake. Because if he had been more considerate to the top players, and been willing to accept that he might be wrong, then he could truly have made the best ID map.

your grammar is backwards d1re

Shut up or I put the buttplug back in. It's not my fault that norwegian grammar is the exact opposite of english. Also, I never had a proper english education (I learned more english from my pokemon game on the gameboy than I did in 7 at school).

[evo]

Even bet chronosphere my bnet account that it would get removed within 1 day; and it only lasted about 2 hrs.

DAMIT WAS SO CLOSE TO GETTING UR ACCOUNT...

ehh maybe not that close... 22 hours away.

[Zen1400]

Shut up or I put the buttplug back in. It's not my fault that norwegian grammar is the exact opposite of english. Also, I never had a proper english education (I learned more english from my pokemon game on the gameboy than I did in 7 at school).

Don't worry I learned how to read from pokemon. Its a great game to learn from.

[Eji1700]

Oh grow the hell up.  You chose to edit this map and you better be able to deal with some damn criticism.  Every fucking builder put into this game has almost always met with tons of criticism and complaints.  I'm amazed you seem to think yourself a better editor than any who have worked on this map and yet can't even deal with a few posts worth of negative comments.  The builder sucked.  Balance can be fixed.  The concept was boring unoriginal and thrown together.  If you were so set on fixing all of that then what the fuck does it matter what any of us said?  If you weren't planning on fixing that then its a good thing we spoke up. Quality and creativity matter.  Balance keeps people playing longer but if its not creative or unique it doesn't draw anyone in or keep people interested.  Panda was a mish mash of other builders with something like 1 unique trait and even then it wasn't interesting or unique.
Moving on from the builder it seems you hardly take any criticism anywhere at all.  Darox was pretty set but i seem to recall him changing his mind a few times.  You whole approach seems to be your right and thats it, but quite frankly your accomplishments so far have been squat.  You've done number and balance changes and I honestly wonder if half the reason you just dropped new builders and titans is because you can't code them.  Up until now everything you've done has  been simple triggering and number tweaks with maybe one or two exceptions and while it may have been needed it sure as hell doesn't make you special.  The time you give up for this we're thankful for and it's probably the biggest commitment that people don't think about.  But quite frankly looking at anything you've added it could've been done by any of the previous editors.  I mean if you want a builder named after yourself(or rather someone else) fine.  You can do that.  But it sure seems arrogant as hell.

Either way now it seems like we've hurt your poor little feelings so we can just cut out the suggestion forums until we find someone who can actually deal with some negative commentary.  I'm quite frankly shocked you can't cope with it.

Also honestly if we're going to stick with just balance changes I may damn well fork some money into Murs paypal account and cut out the middle man.  At least he won't cave because someone didn't like his ideas and it'd at least be interesting.

I'm pretty surprised it wasn't deleted/i wasn't modded, but then again im not exactly seen as an important member of the community so I'm supposing thats part of it.  I've noticed the more ingrained you are the more likely you are to eat a lock/ban/delete/whatever from panda's bruised ego.

Either way I stand by what I said then and I pretty much predicted most of this from the start(Zen has heard enough bitching about it from me).  Murs understands higher level stuff and panda just doesn't.  Darox as well was at least open to discussion but the idea that anything that annoys panda means its ban time makes it impossible to suggest squat.  We've all bitched about crap we don't like, and normally its up to the editor to either just ignore it, consider it, or do something about it, but panda is just impossible. 

In the end he's getting more hosts but it feels like good players are more and more rare.  I'm just waiting for some more gamebreaking stuff to completely shatter the already marginal ID balance and turn all the way into Vampirism.




Actually its a shame.  I was going to go try and find the old FULL FLEGED DEMON topic but sadly i can't seem to find it.  I swear it feels like the same quality of panda's contributions.  Editors like panda are fine when a game is small and you want a larger player base.  Content brings players.  But at the end of the day you just can't have a game that draws you back if everything is screwball.  You kinda had the same problem with guinsoo to icefrog.  Sadly it seems that ID got it backwards.