2.8.6b

[Darox]

I have now started work on the next version.
Expect this to update more often.

Stuff about the changes etc should be said here.

[MrOmelette]

I have now started work on the next version.
Expect this to update more often.

Stuff about the changes etc should be said here.

yayayayayay

[Eji1700]

So out of curiosity will this be mostly balance changes or will there be minor gameflow changes as well?

[Darox]

There will be several changes. A large number will be balance, but also some gameflow. And of course, some bug fixing.

For instance, finally changing self targeted spells to activated like Aerox always wanted to.
An easier method of summoning mini minions. (More slowly than if you have a group of worker corpses, however)
Satyr will get some further tweaks.

The list goes on.

[Darox]

Demonologist
 * The upgrades in the Pedestal have been split between the Pedestal and a new building, the Shrine of Unspeakable Evil. Summon related spells belong in the Pedestal, Nuke related spells belong in the Shrine.

This is the precursor to several changes and new abilities for the Demonologist.

[DoorKnob22]

I think these changes are good, any more you can reveal on the Demo? I'm curious about "....several changes and new abilities for the Demonologist."

[eLK.]

Oh snap.

[Darox]

I'll release more info on each new thing as I finalize it, otherwise I'll have to keep changing what I say.

For now, know that the Demonologist will have two spellbooks (Split between summoning and nuking) and that there is a new summon type ability, Spirit Binding (Name may be subject to change)

What this skill does is basically binds any demon unit (Not Balthazar) so that on death it's power will be used to summon a new demonic unit, currently called the Malefactor.

The Malefactor can be summoned two ways, either by letting the unit be killed, or by letting the binding buff expire, at which point the unit will be sacrificed to summon the Malefactor.

If the unit is turned into a stalker (Either by the Demonologist or via Self-Sacrafice) the binding is broken and the Malefactor will not be summoned.

[jadegolem]

nice! can we haz 3 more demon types like Demon Dragon? we need a flying demon unit to kill Harpys FUCK GOD DAMN HARPIES KILLED mQ24.=3 causing me to lose all of my towers to a minion T_T but my other towers killed him =3

[Zen1400]

Build a fruit tree problem solved, but this looks nice for demon.

[Yoshimonmatt]

What kind of balances are happening to satyr besides the new plunder formula?  In the very least, what do you have in mind?  I was going to make a guide for satyr, but it looks like I might have to wait (I had the guide made, but my computer immediately crashed before I could save or post it).

[Syaorann]

Hmm, is it possible to not have two spellbooks?

It'll be hard micro'ing between 2 spellbooks imo

[o(O.Oo)]

how about 10 more seed spots?

[Darox]

What kind of balances are happening to satyr besides the new plunder formula?  In the very least, what do you have in mind?  I was going to make a guide for satyr, but it looks like I might have to wait (I had the guide made, but my computer immediately crashed before I could save or post it).

Nothing major.

You could write a guide on Satyr and the only changes you would have to make are some value shifts.

[Eji1700]

Hmm, is it possible to not have two spellbooks?

It'll be hard micro'ing between 2 spellbooks imo

By the sounds of it you won't have to.  You'll more than likely pick one path to go down and then only get the other later.  This will make spells more viable and give demon a little more depth to it.  Now if we could just give tauren some options i'd be happy.

[Yoshimonmatt]

What kind of balances are happening to satyr besides the new plunder formula?  In the very least, what do you have in mind?  I was going to make a guide for satyr, but it looks like I might have to wait (I had the guide made, but my computer immediately crashed before I could save or post it).

Nothing major.

You could write a guide on Satyr and the only changes you would have to make are some value shifts.

It was the values that I know so well that the guide was based on.  Like at what point of the minion's health can you 1-hit it with stalk if you also have damage and rending maxed out.

I'll probably wait anyways.

[Darox]

 * Upgraded wall manashield absorbtion % reduced.

Important balance change for Draenei, making node spamming much less attractive.
The % is such that if you keep a wall fully charged without repairing it, it will have no advantage over a wall that is not restored.
Previously, keeping a wall fully charged doubled its effective hit points.

[D1RE]

Very simple question: Currently pandamime is making a tweak to the Tauren in order ot allow him to lvl up by attacking the titan. Do you plan to add any changes to Tauren to give them more options for lvling aside from golding/killing things?

[Eji1700]

Very simple question: Currently pandamime is making a tweak to the Tauren in order ot allow him to lvl up by attacking the titan. Do you plan to add any changes to Tauren to give them more options for lvling aside from golding/killing things?

While i'm personally all for diversifying tauren gameplay unless you seriously nerf tauren level ups(which might not be a bad idea) that seems sketchy.  You're going to get the noob sat problem again(lolz loot) and good players could easily abuse that to hell depending on the values.  however maybe if we lowered tauren level up EXP and added some of his abilities through levels it might make him a little more lively even if there's no gold.  Rather than sitting in a corner lumbering you can go play bulky sat and titan poke for levels. 

[Darox]

Did you know, that if you kill the inconspicuous tree, treespawn come out of it?

Shocking but true.

I'm undecided about tauren, but I'm currently reluctant to give him a method of gaining xp through attacking.

[JayceJa]

Very simple question: Currently pandamime is making a tweak to the Tauren in order ot allow him to lvl up by attacking the titan. Do you plan to add any changes to Tauren to give them more options for lvling aside from golding/killing things?

While i'm personally all for diversifying tauren gameplay unless you seriously nerf tauren level ups(which might not be a bad idea) that seems sketchy.  You're going to get the noob sat problem again(lolz loot) and good players could easily abuse that to hell depending on the values.  however maybe if we lowered tauren level up EXP and added some of his abilities through levels it might make him a little more lively even if there's no gold.  Rather than sitting in a corner lumbering you can go play bulky sat and titan poke for levels. 

unless im wrong(dont think i am), you cant lower the amount of xp required to level up without changing it globally, but your on the right idea

i say taurans stats from leveling should be nerfed a lot, but he should level up a lot faster and have abilities to use from it, it makes the hero aspect more prominent rather than just a gimmick

[jadegolem]

problem... he has no slots to fit his abilities in

His first four slots are filled and they are Move, Stop, Hold, and attack
his second slots are Patrol, Gold, Gather, Hero Abilities(Or Ancestral Rage(I forgot which since new update))
His Fourth is Build, Some Passive Ability, Tauren Tome, and Earthquake

[Emo]

problem... he has no slots to fit his abilities in

His first four slots are filled and they are Move, Stop, Hold, and attack
his second slots are Patrol, Gold, Gather, Hero Abilities(Or Ancestral Rage(I forgot which since new update))
His Fourth is Build, Some Passive Ability, Tauren Tome, and Earthquake

Idiot, there is such a thing called  a spellbook. Tauren has one, mag has one, morph has one, and so does satye. Or he used to, I don't know haven't played him yet.

[Darox]

Thats the point. He's already got a spellbook, and his command card is still full.

[jadegolem]

problem... he has no slots to fit his abilities in

His first four slots are filled and they are Move, Stop, Hold, and attack
his second slots are Patrol, Gold, Gather, Hero Abilities(Or Ancestral Rage(I forgot which since new update))
His Fourth is Build, Some Passive Ability, Tauren Tome, and Earthquake

Idiot, there is such a thing called  a spellbook. Tauren has one, mag has one, morph has one, and so does satye. Or he used to, I don't know haven't played him yet.

Spell Books cannot hold commands such as Stop or Move. In order to make the Tauren gain the abilities in his Spell Book, a trigger will have to be used. You need to create another Spell Book and name it the ability you leveled up and put the ability you want to level in it. You will need to create a dummy ability also.

Trigger Learn Shockwave

Event
 If a unit learns an ability
Condition
 Level of Shockwave(Dummy) for Learning Unit Greater than 0
Action
 Remove Shockwave(Dummy) from Learning Unit
 Add Ability Shockwave(Spell Book) for Learning Unit
 Player Disable Shockwave(Spell Book) for (Owner of Learning Unit)

This is the formula for the Spell Book learn ability.

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