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« on: January 16, 2009, 03:25:35 PM »

WARNING: contains a lot of word, will post up ss'es in a while Smiley

Hullo, welcome to Syaorann's guide to playing demonologist...properly I hope

Firstly, lets list the pros and cons of demon

PROS
  • looks cool
  • can gank effectively
  • can summon huge armies that make the titan go "Oh noes"
  • Effective base supporter
  • Undead style of building
  • Workers can attack, so denying feed is a good trait.
  • Walls do damage, about 50 I think..correct me if I'm wrong (not including the armor resistance of minions etc.)
  • Walls don't have to be upgraded

Basically hes a very very very good minion hunter/supporter

CONS
  • Cannot build a base (wall base is not a base kthxbai it be epic feed.)
  • Only has one escape skill, nether warp and his escape ability is random
  • Escape ability has a delay, allowing a decent titan to eye you before you nether away
  • Relies on gold to make him powerful
  • Walls have 400hp only, without the upgrade
  • If nuked while using nether warp, will take 25% more spell damage e.g. 180 nuke, will do 225dmg .
And...thats about it I think

Note: You could always build a demonic fissure base, (basically a fruit tree base) although that would equal to fail when titan is above lvl 5-7 (depends from time to time).

List of buildings
Note:
Buildings will be in green
Upgrades will be in purple

Temple of Pain
Cost: 20 lumber
Can summon Succubus (worker), costs 50 lumber 50 food

Demonic Fissures(Deals 20-20 magic damage)(gives 35 food)
Cost: 5 lumber

Demon Gate
Cost: 300 lumber
Can summon Succubus and Demonic Fiends

Apprentice Demonology
Cost: 800 lumber
Demonologist can summon Fel Hound and Demonic Arachnathid

Sacrifice
Cost: 600 lumber
Demonologist can sacrifice one of his units to summon a shade that has true sight

Enchantment
Cost: 500 lumber
Demonologist can summon a one-time use stone which heals 125hit points when used.

Empowered Talismans
Cost: 1000 lumber
Demonologist gets an additional 250 mana


Pool of Ancient Ritual

Demonic Strength
Increases damage by 3 and armor by 2 for Fel Hounds
Increases damage by 3 and armor by 2 for Demonic Arachnathid
Increases damage by 10 and armor by 2 for Demon Overlords
Level 1: 500 lumber
Each level cost increases by 5 gold and 125 lumber

Demonic Shielding
Cost: 10 gold and 1800 lumber
Changes demonologist armor from Heavy to Fortified

Bound Summoning
Cost: 5 gold and 1500 lumber
Increases the duration from 60 seconds to 75 seconds for the demons.

Pedestal of Forbidden Scriptures
Cost: 10 gold and 1750 lumber
Get your Demon overlord,double summon, nukes and hunter here. Cool

Advanced Summoning Techniques
Cost: 5 gold and 1500 lumber
Demonologist can summon Demon Overlord

Forbidden Summoning Techniques
Cost: 15 gold and 3000 lumber
Demonologist doubles the summons of every kind of demon and increases the duration of Fel Hound, Demonic Arachnathid, Demon Overlord by 10 seconds


Earth Shock Wave
Cost: 5 gold and 2000 lumber
Does a random wavey earthshock that does damage.

Conflagration
Cost: 5 gold and 2000 lumber
A red zap that can bounce.

Spirit Linking
Cost: 5 gold and 2500 lumber
Links the demons together so they share damage

Puppetry
Cost: 10 gold and 1000 lumber
Makes the titan walk slower and his skills get disabled (I think)

Ethereal Tearing
Cost: 5 gold and 1750 lumber
Makes nether warp warp to that specific spot, not a random direction.

Demon Mastery
Cost: 30 gold and 3500 lumber
Demonologist can summon Balthasar, your batman look-a-like hero. Has Hellfire, Blink, and Demon aura

Merchant
Cost: 45 gold and 150 lumber

Haunted Grave
Cost: 150 lumber
Can attack. Yes! Does 20-20damage

And thats all the buildings.

How to pick Demon
First, go to that hard tavern. You see that pig? yeah good.
Click him, or press "z".
Yes, successfully clicked!

Or you could be lucky and you randomed that cool leet looking red...pig

Setting up a lumber base

Setting up a lumber base is really easy for demon.

Ping on your mini map one of the seeding spots that you can find, and your on your way to making those sexy slu-succubus'es of yours  Cool My favourite place for lumbering is the one top right'ish
that one circled in blue, yeah that one.

Before you go inside it, (if you picked) make 2 demon fissures (go into your build menu and click those fountains that are orange). Or if you randomed demo, then just make 4. Demon fissures give you food, and food is what is needed to make those workers.

Okay, so you've made 2 fissures. Make a shelter/temple of pain inside. Chop lumber.

Once you've chopped about 50wood, click your temple of pain and get that succubus chopping wood.

Get another 10, start building your other two fissures and you've got 150 food (which is the maximum food you can have)

Your succubuses contain 50 food each by the way, so you can only have 3. Oh, and they attack too.

So now, you can choose to walk outside and deny your lumber, but that wouldn't be wise as titan might be outside windwalking...so you can do this instead.


Click all the demon fissures and press "a" on 1, then hold shift and press "a" on the 2, then click ONLY 3 and 4 and shiftclick them as well. I'm not too good at explaining this bit :| but I hope you understand.

Ryld has a lumber base that is quite neat as well, and I kind of like it. I think this is a better place for demo's to go, but if this place is taken you should go to the one I suggested.


Start of lumber base


End of lumber base

Why are the buildings in red? so that you can deny your feed with your succubus. They attack remember?
Golding

Great, lumber base set up, all you need now is a Demon Gate so that you can get all your summons and stuff.

Golding is pretty important for demo. If you've got gold you can get your summons.

But, you've got to wall middle first if you want to get a good chance of not dying o_o. So the layout for walling middle should look like...


This is how you should wall for bottom right of mound

For top right of mound

For bot left of mound

And..for top left of mound

Okay, so whenever you see titan missing, DO NOT gold. Wait till he attacks a base, or if you have completed your research Apprentice Demonology and Sacrifice, you can summon your Felhound and Sacrifice it so you can go gold and it can reveal if titan is wind-walking near you. Make it move around so that it can see titan approaching from the sides. Does that make sense?



Someone died at the start?

Someone died at the start and you have no chance to gold because theres a minion camping gold? That bastard! Its okay, you have a chance to get back to golding and earn 45g as well!

Firstly, I want to warn that this might not work all the time.

So...if the minion got punished/kicked by titan, the titan will probably lose interest in the minion (if he doesn't have decent micro). So while titan is feeding or what not, you can set up a trap. A trap that should look like this...I prefer setting up a trap at top right hand corner of mound, because it's one of the easier ones.

(someone help me make a trap screenshot please, my traps are...unorthodox?)

Tech tree
Alright, so maybe you got some gold. Maybe you didn't.
but if you did get some gold, here are the tech tree upgrades that you should follow/get!
1-10- Save up, practically can't get anything and the things you can get sark (demonic pool upgrade)
15-25 gold- Get a Pedestal. First get your demon overlord and then Double summons if you've got left over gold.
25-45 gold- Same thing with 15-25 gold, except if you've got more then 5 gold, go get a nuke.
45-55 gold- Get a pool of ancient ritual first. Get your first level demonic strength, and Demonic shielding. Trust me, demonic shielding will save your life a lot.
55-100 gold- Your rich. Go dai and help that noob titan already. No jokes, at this time I wouldn't really bother with anything else except upgrading my demonic strength now to hunt minions. And you can't get balth anyways...
100 and above- Your beyond rich...go get your merchant and get your awesome hunter!


WIP, will take a while sorry.
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 06:38:16 PM »

Walls do 20, I thought.

And I think I'll post some SSs of how I wall. Your style seems inefficient.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 09:39:57 PM »

Your tech tree is outdated.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2009, 08:58:22 AM »

Walls do 20, I thought.

And I think I'll post some SSs of how I wall. Your style seems inefficient.

Yeah its insufficient, this is early game walling. I might post up some other ones later though
Your tech tree is outdated.

I don't get what you mean, can you point out what is outdated for me?
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009, 09:08:36 AM »

Demon Gate
Cost: 300 lumber
Can summon succubus and demonic fiends

Advanced Summoning Techniques
Cost: 5 gold and 1500 lumber
Demonologist can summon Demon Overlord

Forbidden Summoning Techniques
Cost: 15 gold and 3000 lumber
Demonologist doubles the summons of every kind of demon and increases the duration of Fel Hound, Demonic Arachnathid, Demon Overlord by 10 seconds


Pedestal of Forbidden Scriptures
Cost: 15 gold and 1750 lumber
Get your nukes and hunter here. Cool

Demon Mastery
Cost: 15 gold and 3500 lumber
Demonologist can summon Balthasar, your batman look-a-like hero. Has demon shock, Blink, and Demon aura

You get Advanced summoning in the pedestal not the gate, the pedestal costs 10g, and you get Demon Mastery in the Pool and it's 30g.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 09:43:54 AM »

You need to learn how to wall those corners.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2009, 11:14:11 AM »

You need to learn how to wall those corners.

As I already said to Illu, its for early game basing

Demon Gate
Cost: 300 lumber
Can summon succubus and demonic fiends

Advanced Summoning Techniques
Cost: 5 gold and 1500 lumber
Demonologist can summon Demon Overlord

Forbidden Summoning Techniques
Cost: 15 gold and 3000 lumber
Demonologist doubles the summons of every kind of demon and increases the duration of Fel Hound, Demonic Arachnathid, Demon Overlord by 10 seconds


Pedestal of Forbidden Scriptures
Cost: 15 gold and 1750 lumber
Get your nukes and hunter here. Cool

Demon Mastery
Cost: 15 gold and 3500 lumber
Demonologist can summon Balthasar, your batman look-a-like hero. Has demon shock, Blink, and Demon aura

You get Advanced summoning in the pedestal not the gate, the pedestal costs 10g, and you get Demon Mastery in the Pool and it's 30g.

Oh, yeah. Okay, your version changed some stuff, this was from Panda's version :\

And for the Demon Mastery, its under Pedestal, so what?
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 07:59:24 PM »

I like the pictures but add more colors in the text, i almost fell asleep  Undecided
And are you happy now? For me viewing the guide. You were whining in the channel about nobody reading your guide.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 08:59:28 PM »

No one reads MY SUGGESTIONS!!

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Your methods of handling minions confuse me
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2009, 09:07:46 PM »

Your methods of handling minions confuse me
What minion-handling methods?  Huh?
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2009, 09:45:15 AM »

I AM HAPPY!!!MY (almost useless) KLAN (which any hosts give me 4 sec delay) READ MY GUIDE! and commented.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2009, 10:46:10 AM »

I AM HAPPY!!!MY (almost useless) KLAN (which any hosts give me 4 sec delay) READ MY GUIDE! and commented.

You stay because of me, right? :3

Back on topic!

It's a good demonologist guide but showng an image of a demo lumber basing just below the mound is dangerous as most titans search there first.

Personally, I build all my stuff in the very top left corner, in between trees and the ramp to the special vendors. As of lately though, I usually build all my stuff on the right as demo then close in when I want to gold.

If you're fast with warp, you can gold at the center while the titan is not seen but it's not recommended for new people to try that and/if the titan is in a stage to 2 shot you instead of 3 shot. You can keep your finger on warp while you're going so if he comes, you quickly use it on yourself. Note: Not good if the host has delay or anyone is lagging.
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2009, 01:13:26 PM »

golding at mine w/ o seeing titan is too risky w/o tome or more armor

if you play a decent titan he can ww behind u get 1-2 hits getting you down to 160 or 30 hp then he nukes you and your dead

terrible idea
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2009, 03:54:07 PM »

golding at mine w/ o seeing titan is too risky w/o tome or more armor

if you play a decent titan he can ww behind u get 1-2 hits getting you down to 160 or 30 hp then he nukes you and your dead

terrible idea

If your that desperate to grab those last few coins that you need, you should do it. I don't reccomend it, but its one of these things you can do.

Anyway, you should have that good a reflex to see that if there is an invisi titan, just nether away or run. If he whacks you once, nether immediately. -pretty self explanatory, my guide isn't for complete idiots-

I AM HAPPY!!!MY (almost useless) KLAN (which any hosts give me 4 sec delay) READ MY GUIDE! and commented.

You stay because of me, right? :3

Back on topic!

It's a good demonologist guide but showng an image of a demo lumber basing just below the mound is dangerous as most titans search there first.

Personally, I build all my stuff in the very top left corner, in between trees and the ramp to the special vendors. As of lately though, I usually build all my stuff on the right as demo then close in when I want to gold.

If you're fast with warp, you can gold at the center while the titan is not seen but it's not recommended for new people to try that and/if the titan is in a stage to 2 shot you instead of 3 shot. You can keep your finger on warp while you're going so if he comes, you quickly use it on yourself. Note: Not good if the host has delay or anyone is lagging.

The base at top left near the secret vendor makes you waste nether warp if titan finds you early. Where else in my base you have 3 escape routes anyway.

I DO NOT support that if titan is missing you go gold, and if he whacks you, you warp. I SERIOUSLY don't, I have seen many demonologists die because they think they've got lightning fast reflexes. Even if they do warp, a competent titan will just eye them and chase them down.

And yes light, i totally stay because of you <3


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