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« on: October 22, 2008, 10:51:42 AM »

It is a rare sight when someone bases mid-right (faaar right, just below the ramp/pillar base).  When you do see it happen, two things can result:

1. EPIC FAIL
2. EPIC WIN

Today I am going to explain on how to achieve #2.   Grin

My friends and I routinely base in this location.  One of us goes sat, One goes builder, and one goes mag.  If sat is unavailable, you can swap for a strong tower builder but definitely make sure one of the builders does not rely on gold to create towers or you may have to wait until gold penalty...and that's stupid.  For your first try at this base I'd recommend makura for towers and alternate walling.  With makura's ability to go inside of its structures while building, it makes an excellent candidate for sneakily walling the titan (shadow dust ftw) or rewalling while mag waits on polar wrath cooldown.    We normally wait until titan is distracted by a lumber or tower base before building this monster base which I have affectionately dubbed Islandgard...you know, like Isengard from Lord of the Rings.  Heheh..heh..ugh.   Lips Sealed
First, I will go over what is necessary for mag, since the walls are the most essential part of this base.

M A G N A T A U R


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/id0pa/walling.jpg

The basic walls cost 1390 lumber and the upgrade costs 7000 lumber.  Also, try to get as much gold as possible--at least 45g so you can upgrade your walls after building merchant.  Depending on how much the titan harasses gold mound, you may want to get 115g to research polar wrath.  If you have polar wrath, you will be able to rebuild and upgrade walls with no concern of being nuked.  Your walls should resemble the above referenced picture.  I know you're going "wtf lmaonade roffles so many walls nooby".  Well, listen up and I can explain why it "looks" so nubsauce.  It looks nubsauce because your brain is too fragile and weak to comprehend its greatness!  Just kidding, your brain is perfectly normal.

The natural instinct for any intelligent titan is to break the walls north and avoid most of the damage.  When this happens, mag and/or sat can wall the titan in from the bottom (assuming there are no more than 2-3 minions and then it still depends on the titan's ability to micro) and make him freak the f*ck out, resulting in a teleport, windwalk (break out the gnoll racial or gnoll tracker), or GG...not always in that order.  Sometimes the titan stacks enough titanic tridents and manages to get to the top.  Well, if you followed the instructions on how to spread towers (see builder instructions below), mag can travel safely out of nuke range of minions to the top of the base to create/upgrade new walls to delay titan and inevitably cause him to retreat.  Try to anticipate the titan's push for the top so you can wall appropriately.  When he does eventually retreat, you'll want to be able to wall from top back to bottom without dying.  Also, if the sat is feeling lucky he may want to spawn a rogue den south of the titan's location.  If the titan tries to push middle or bottom he will take way too much damage and will be at just ask much risk of being walled.  Just make sure to avoid nuke range and watch for critters (especially chirpel, the resurrecting bastard) that stumble into your base.  An intelligent titan will eye the said critter, nuke, and with enough luck and cluttering of workers the nukes will splash.  Overall, Mag carries most of the responsibility so make sure your waller knows how to mag.  The other builders get to sit back and verbally abuse the titan until he suicides, rage quits, plug pulls, etc.

B U I L D E R


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/id0pa/towers.jpg

Builder takes a lot of concentration when first building your towers to correspond to this picture.  I recommend at 14,000 to 26,000 lumber prior to creating this base as a builder.  I am a fan of late basing so I've waited until 30,000 lumber, especially if I want to solo base in this location.
**If you can find a better way to tower WITHOUT getting rid of the path, feel free to post your recommendation (with screenshots if possible).

I've addressed FOUR areas of concern when building this base.  Please refer to the picture for more details:

1. Blink Proofing - Yeah, it's not TOO difficult to blink proof this base against voltron or molt, just remember the area I've highlighted with a red circle.  Leave it this spot open because if the titan, in his desperate attempt to find a place to spawn magmatide or blink, spam-clicks and traps himself you get to laugh at the titan as he fails.  It's very entertaining.  Just make sure you can properly blink proof without blocking yourself from merchant since satyr and magnataur can farm lumber for you in times of need.

2. Alternate Paths - The main paths are created by the mag, however, there is a final path that must be established by the tower builder.  You have two options.  If the titan is not voltron or molt, you can make the path run straight up with no worries of blink proofing.  The red lines indicate roughly where your paths should be.  Play around in single player until you get it right.  Just use the cheats to give yourself 500000 gold and lumber and take all the time you need.  It's like riding a bike.  Once you learn, you'll never forget.  Good luck.

3. Sneaky Shelter Blink Proof - If you need to blink proof your base, you'll likely have that spot open at top right of your base--you know, the path you can walk through the trees.  Build your towers appropriately, but leave a space for builders to cut through the tree path to the back of the base.  Put a shelter there whenever you pass through to keep the titan from blinking.  Or if you have huge balls or polar wrath, just walk through the front path.

4. Builder Preference - Morphling can be a headache to tower in this area because you'll have to micro the harvesters carefully to fill all the towers.  It can be done, but it takes twice as long than any other builder.  I wouldn't advise using morphling unless you think you are a pro motherf*cker.  Also, try to put a titan hunter on the top row of towers, preferably a caster (troll, fairie) for obvious reasons.  If you put it anywhere else you risk being chain nuked.  Also, I normally make 45-58 towers if I am the only builder.  Experiment with 2 builders for a more effective base.  Keep in mind, you risk being broken without really good walls.  If you want to go extreme, I recommend sat, troll, fairie.  Troll can make the towers closest to the walls and fairie can finish with whatever room is left.  Also, fairie is a great alternative when mag is not chosen.  It just makes re-walling that much harder so do wall research ASAP.  I tried this combo with a friend and it was unstoppable, even after feeding the titan to 14 and giving him enough gold for Super Regenerative Spines x5 and Berserker Gem.

S A T Y R

The same rules apply to satyr for any situation.  Gold as much as possible.  Become a general nuisance to the titan but be cautious if he purchases a pearl or Mystic Staff of the Gods.  Towards the end of the game, you really just sit in base and occasionally smack the titan or his minions until he ragequits.  Sat is most fun to play when using this base as long as you get enough gold for blur.  The rest is self-explanitory.


Miscellaneous Sh*t

Here are a few things to remember while using this base:
1. Sat & Mag should help the builder get mega towers as soon as they finish their research.  If the titan tries to break early in the game he'll soon realize he needs to save it for last.  That's plenty of time to get merchants (and buy from other builders' merchants if able) to fuel the builder's need for lumber.
2. Builder, you can lumber at the top of the base!  Just make sure to blink-proof and DETO whenever you suspect a possible nuke.
3. If someone bases directly above this base, maybe put a few towers within range of the titan.  Whenever he falls back to heal there will be some very annoying towers waiting for him.  Cheesy
4. Don't do anything stupid.  If you have enough gold and it's before penalty, just wait.  Use your judgement.  You may think you know how to play, but it only takes one lucky pearl from titan to change the course of the game for your base.
4. This brings me to my final topic--base sharing.  I know the base seems big enough to support more than 3 builders BUT YOU'RE WRONG.  Just like any base, randoms who decide to take refuge in your base will inevitably block you, get you nuked, or worse.  If you see a novice builder running toward your base, advise them to build at the top where they will eventually get pearl/nuked or to GTFO.  Just use all 3 builders to cover all the entrances.  If they are already inside, threaten CK.

Good luck.  I hope you like this short tutorial on how to make the epic base.  I do not take responsibility for its creation.  I am just the messenger.  Try it out and provide positive and/or negative feedback!
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2008, 10:56:03 AM »

sounds sexy, but not OP.
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2008, 11:07:24 AM »

I guess you're right.  The fact that it can take up to 3 people to run this base indicates it is balanced.  Sometimes, if I am really lucky/risky, I will go makura and lumber 25-35k.  When I do base, I do all the walls and upgrade all the towers to megas.  Shift-clicking for the win, of course.  Nothing like spawning this base out of nowhere as the titan is busy with another base.  "SURPRISE!!"

It can be OP to your inexperienced titan, though.  We normally GG them on the 3rd wall on their way north.  We wall/upgrade and they panic because they didn't bind the punishment center.  GG.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008, 12:46:56 PM »

Its really good, but like everyone knows about it XD.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008, 01:12:39 PM »

I've seen it before, and you did it wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 01:39:19 PM »

mag/gnoll/mak works the best.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 03:13:42 PM »

I've seen it before, and you did it wrong.

It was my intention to do it different than what has been done since a year ago.  If you're looking for unquestionable GG the old way may be for you, but I wanted a solution for when the titan isn't a complete idiot.  If you can do it better, like I said, show us.

Its really good, but like everyone knows about it XD.

This is true, but my friends and I play on vent so that makes us really special...somehow, you know?   Roll Eyes

But yeah, it was a base we have continued to base in for a few months and its only been broken when the titan gets "lucky" and pearls on us as we are building it.  *grumble*
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 03:31:22 PM »

Is it just me or would your workers be amazingly easy to nuke from the ledge above?  I've seen people try this in a few games but so far they've all failed miserably.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 03:38:11 PM »

i think this is the best spot to base IMO.
But i use one less layer of walls then you.
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 04:27:24 PM »

i think this is the best spot to base IMO.
But i use one less layer of walls then you.

How is this the best base spot, mind to expand? You need at least 2x as many walls for it to be effective.

Also morph isn't hard to tower. Just make all the towers and load them all up. the ones that don't load you just need to group the rest of the workers and click on the towers that arn't loaded.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2008, 09:20:21 PM »

i think this is the best spot to base IMO.
But i use one less layer of walls then you.

How is this the best base spot, mind to expand? You need at least 2x as many walls for it to be effective.

Also morph isn't hard to tower. Just make all the towers and load them all up. the ones that don't load you just need to group the rest of the workers and click on the towers that arn't loaded.

actually i cut one layer and spam makura. effective come to think of it espcially late game when eveyrone needs merch room
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2008, 03:36:08 AM »

Makura is pretty good in that spot but I've encountered a few good level 14 breeze or demonicus who can take their sweet time with the breaking, especially if they are stacking HP regen and/or have at least 2 minions.  Luckily for US West, there are so many new players (no thanks to "ISLAND DEFENSE DOWNLOAD ONLY" games   Lips Sealed) who are still learning the ropes.  There are a few ID pros on US West but I live in Japan so I'm stuck with aus, sg, sk, etc...oh, and pre-teen kids waking up in California to play ID.  e_e

i think this is the best spot to base IMO.
But i use one less layer of walls then you.

Yeah, well if it becomes obvious the titan and/or minions are relying on your workers for feed, you can do research to upgrade harvester HP or employ the use of your mag/sat buddies.  You should have at least 2 merchants in your base so that's an instant 2k-4k lumber between cooldowns.  Besides, once all the towers are mega it's solely up to sat/mag to defend.  Also, if the titan is already level 14 who cares.  If he wants your harvesters so badly, just use them to block the titan as he tries to break.  That'll learn em' good.  *angrymanfistshake*
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2008, 03:53:46 PM »

I'm confused

How is this spot any better then anywhere else on the map?
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2008, 07:15:37 PM »

I'm confused

How is this spot any better then anywhere else on the map?

You can fit in more support players into the base, although a waste of lumber.
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2008, 11:19:00 PM »

I'm confused

How is this spot any better then anywhere else on the map?

Shurti said that, not me.  It's probably the most ballsy base but not the best.  Everyone knows the base just right of gold mound is the best.  ;333
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 09:03:26 PM »

That base is overpowered.  That is evidenced in 2.8.6 by the change in terrian, which makes basing like that impossible.  I base there in pubs every now in then, and when I base with makrura, I find it to be incredibly overpowered.  The titans I've played against can barely touch the first 2 layers of the walls.  BUT, any good titan won't allow this base to be established because it requires a hell of a lot of wood.  So in that essence it isn't overpowered, but as a double base I think there is no match for mid right.  Troll and makrura = gg.  But then again, that is true of many other spots also.
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2008, 07:39:21 AM »

Yeah, a few of us in our clan hosted a pub game with murloc as main towers, me as walls (got 45g early, despite 1 death ty), 2 other mags, and a demonologist for lumber/support.  Level 12 titan did not get through 2 walls.

- Warcry was constantly up
- Titan was blocked with summons from demo + everyone had merchant summons with plenty of room in the back of the base to cast and micro, etc.
- Murloc had 53 mega towers before gold penalty

Good times.  Maybe I'll post it in the replay forums.
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2008, 06:29:02 PM »

That base is overpowered.  That is evidenced in 2.8.6 by the change in terrian, which makes basing like that impossible.  I base there in pubs every now in then, and when I base with makrura, I find it to be incredibly overpowered.  The titans I've played against can barely touch the first 2 layers of the walls.  BUT, any good titan won't allow this base to be established because it requires a hell of a lot of wood.  So in that essence it isn't overpowered, but as a double base I think there is no match for mid right.  Troll and makrura = gg.  But then again, that is true of many other spots also.

There is .6? or are you talking about the pandamine/wall-up series?
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2008, 06:32:46 PM »

They released a 2.8.6 version earlier, but nobody really plays it.  You could probably find it somewhere on these forums, and no its not pandamine version.
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2008, 07:25:49 PM »

It's a beta.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2009, 03:29:15 PM »

the reason i love this topic is that part about sat shadow dust makura and wall in makura slows the titan and stays ww while walling its so great!
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2009, 03:43:22 PM »

The OP base used to be using 3 main builders, and blocking off the top right half of the map, and just letting everyone kick it back there.  But then irreversible damage was done to the terrain Sad  We used to do this all the time, Its still possible I know, but the unbuildable area makes its smaller and further away and not as close so the hunters cant help each side out as easy.
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2009, 02:30:24 AM »

Im lost lol
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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2009, 09:36:01 AM »

luv ur icon ryano and buddha is japenese???!!!

btw with a good titan, the base can be raped =O especially by a rock throwing another rock at a critter with 2 claws
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2010, 11:33:59 PM »

cant see pictures D:
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