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Shortly after 6.55, we get another version. Download here Changelog for v6.56 *Improved various different areas of the terrain * Fixed a very old exploit that was recently discovered with Roshan * Fixed a rare bug that could cause revives to malfunction * Some performance improvements * Tweaked Sentinel and Scourge tower bounty sharing mechanism slightly * Improved Magic Stick a little * Slightly reduced gold cost on Dust of Appearance * Decreased Assassinate cooldown from 30/20/10 to 20/15/10 seconds * Slightly Improved Death Prophet's base movement speed * Improved Lucifer's cast animation point * Lowered Admiral Proudmoore's starting Strength * Slightly reduced slow duration and increased manacost on Torrent * Tweaked the scaling of Tidebringer's AOE * Nerfed Untouchable a bit * RD selection area now becomes unexplored after the pick phase is over * Terrain and Minimap elements are now visible at the start by default * Fixed using courier's Drop Item ability to drop Runed Bottle and items in cooldown * Moved the Tavern locations * Circles of Power are now usable only when you buy a hero * Added some new juke spots * Fixed a few other exploits and bugs * Fixed a bug with some icons on lower resolutions * Fixed a small issue with Magic Stick visual effect * Fixed Lina's model (246662) * X Marks The Spot no longer recalls the target if he becomes magic immune * Fixed an issue with Leoric's crown * Added some new doodads * Fixed some AI issues with Phase Boots * Fixed some issues with Tidebringer not going into cooldown against Siege units * Fixed various parts of the terrain where you could get stuck using the new TP scroll Discuss.
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Zen1400
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2008, 08:08:17 PM » |
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Neat, I hope pirate isn't horrible under powered now, but doesn't seem that way. What is with the numbers after * Fixed Lina's model (246662) anyone know?
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2008, 08:09:59 PM » |
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Her face was fucked up after the new patch which is why that was fixed no idea about numbers. * Added some new juke spots this version is full of w1n
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« Last Edit: October 13, 2008, 08:12:57 PM by Revengez »
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2008, 08:59:37 PM » |
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Neat, I hope pirate isn't horrible under powered now, but doesn't seem that way. What is with the numbers after * Fixed Lina's model (246662) anyone know? Kunkka was severely overpowered in .55 and he still is. Get a battlefury and its GG for the other team.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2008, 09:52:57 PM » |
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Battlefury isn't that good, plus he already has tide bringer, and that does pure damage. Much better items to get for him. I do agree he is still overpowered.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2008, 11:03:24 PM » |
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Battlefury isn't that good, plus he already has tide bringer, and that does pure damage. Much better items to get for him. I do agree he is still overpowered.
I agree. My build goes like this for Kunkka: 2 branches + 2 bracers + 2 sets of tangos at start > farm quick helm of dolm + boots > get rad > treads or bots, situational > heart or cuirlass, situational > crystalys > then depending on lategame I pick those items last. I can usually get helm of dom and rad around 18-20 mark, then get bots or treads at 23-25ish. Might get a chicken too depending on if I need tangos, etc.
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2008, 11:56:52 PM » |
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Battlefury isn't that good, plus he already has tide bringer, and that does pure damage. Much better items to get for him. I do agree he is still overpowered.
All cleave is pure damage. Tidebringer is simply conditional cleave.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2008, 05:08:49 AM » |
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You are 2 days late sir! I said good day, SIR.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2008, 01:17:56 PM » |
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56b in a week.
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2008, 12:02:54 AM » |
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And i'm not playing much until then. Pirate is just too damn good. Half way decent players can easily turn a close game into a stomp with him.
Great AOE nuke/disable with a stunning hang time thats like toss followed by a sick slow makes him wonderful in team fights. Xtms is an ultimate caliber skill that can be used for way to damn much. Juking, baiting, isolating, setup, chasing, etc. His cleave is what makes him a carry late game. already high damage followed by a huge pure damage splash every 4 seconds. Also lets him farm no problem to become the carry. An ult thats a mix of infernal's initiating stun, harder to land with much greater damage, and a great support to back it up ala omniknight.
Way way way too good.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2008, 03:58:46 PM » |
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Has anyone noticed that ursa is harder to "lolpwnt" with?
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2008, 04:48:36 PM » |
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Define harder. He's never been all that good. only mediocre. Its just that he power rapes people who don't know how to deal with him or teams that lack stun.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2008, 05:37:18 PM » |
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Define harder. He's never been all that good. only mediocre. Its just that he power rapes people who don't know how to deal with him or teams that lack stun.
Not really, all Ursa needs is lothars, and vlads if you want to early rosh. Lothars allow you to rape someone in 5 seconds flat, then get out of there. It's pretty hard to counter ursa too in the beginning because he can neutral well.
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2008, 08:01:17 PM » |
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Define harder. He's never been all that good. only mediocre. Its just that he power rapes people who don't know how to deal with him or teams that lack stun.
Not really, all Ursa needs is lothars, and vlads if you want to early rosh. Lothars allow you to rape someone in 5 seconds flat, then get out of there. It's pretty hard to counter ursa too in the beginning because he can neutral well. phaseboots + vlads + lothars = ggon ursa
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2008, 09:12:21 PM » |
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Define harder. He's never been all that good. only mediocre. Its just that he power rapes people who don't know how to deal with him or teams that lack stun.
Not really, all Ursa needs is lothars, and vlads if you want to early rosh. Lothars allow you to rape someone in 5 seconds flat, then get out of there. It's pretty hard to counter ursa too in the beginning because he can neutral well. phaseboots + vlads + lothars = ggon ursa You could just get dust and ursa is countered... GG Ursa
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 12:16:16 AM » |
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1. Ursa can solo rosh at around 9-11 with vlads and some form of stat booster. usually treads. 2. Easiest way to stop ursa is to smack the hell out of him because he cant lane or jungle for shit. Lothars is 3610 gold. Vlads is 2k. None of those give any hp which means that his wonderful ult allowing an agi hero to stock Str items and still get dmg goes vastly unused. If you can keep away form him he's totally useless. 3. He has piss poor movespeed and can do nothing if you manage to keep away from him. Most get vlads on him because its the only way to get close and if you keep him from farming it early he's hardly a threat. If by some magic occurrence he does grab it early get some wards, dust, or a gem. Problem solved.
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 01:21:33 PM » |
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Define harder. He's never been all that good. only mediocre. Its just that he power rapes people who don't know how to deal with him or teams that lack stun.
Not really, all Ursa needs is lothars, and vlads if you want to early rosh. Lothars allow you to rape someone in 5 seconds flat, then get out of there. It's pretty hard to counter ursa too in the beginning because he can neutral well. phaseboots + vlads + lothars = ggon ursa You could just get dust and ursa is countered... GG Ursa Only reason why i get lothars is to be able to move ahead of them so i can earthslam and slow, i don't care about the invis
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2008, 02:53:43 PM » |
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Define harder. He's never been all that good. only mediocre. Its just that he power rapes people who don't know how to deal with him or teams that lack stun.
Not really, all Ursa needs is lothars, and vlads if you want to early rosh. Lothars allow you to rape someone in 5 seconds flat, then get out of there. It's pretty hard to counter ursa too in the beginning because he can neutral well. phaseboots + vlads + lothars = ggon ursa You could just get dust and ursa is countered... GG Ursa Only reason why i get lothars is to be able to move ahead of them so i can earthslam and slow, i don't care about the invis Then get the new phase boots. Hell of a lot cheaper.
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2008, 03:04:53 PM » |
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Define harder. He's never been all that good. only mediocre. Its just that he power rapes people who don't know how to deal with him or teams that lack stun.
Not really, all Ursa needs is lothars, and vlads if you want to early rosh. Lothars allow you to rape someone in 5 seconds flat, then get out of there. It's pretty hard to counter ursa too in the beginning because he can neutral well. phaseboots + vlads + lothars = ggon ursa You could just get dust and ursa is countered... GG Ursa Only reason why i get lothars is to be able to move ahead of them so i can earthslam and slow, i don't care about the invis Then get the new phase boots. Hell of a lot cheaper. I do get Phase, it's + 70 MS while treads are 60, i like lothars because it lasts longer than phasing. Invis, isn't something i really care for, but it does give high ms, and make's it easier to slow, and acquire the kill.
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2008, 05:06:43 PM » |
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1. Ursa can solo rosh at around 9-11 with vlads and some form of stat booster. usually treads. 2. Easiest way to stop ursa is to smack the hell out of him because he cant lane or jungle for shit. Lothars is 3610 gold. Vlads is 2k. None of those give any hp which means that his wonderful ult allowing an agi hero to stock Str items and still get dmg goes vastly unused. If you can keep away form him he's totally useless. 3. He has piss poor movespeed and can do nothing if you manage to keep away from him. Most get vlads on him because its the only way to get close and if you keep him from farming it early he's hardly a threat. If by some magic occurrence he does grab it early get some wards, dust, or a gem. Problem solved.
Ursa can jungle at lvl 5, lvl 4 if you have some form of regen. His piss poor movement speed doesn't matter at the beginning, because only retards try to gank with Ursa at the start. Farming with Ursa is easy if you don't get focused, and if you do just get sentry wards to warn you of a gank. Lategame all ursa needs to do is stomp, then rape you unless you disable him. Just get bracers if you can't farm up a quick lothars, or go blink dagger.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2008, 05:16:56 PM » |
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blink on ursa = a no
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2008, 10:02:29 PM » |
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blink on ursa = a no
Blink dagger on ursa is definetly a new idea to me. Bracers, treads, vlads and heart is the way I go.
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2008, 07:48:13 AM » |
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Blink on ursa used to be seen as the pwnage build for a long long long long time. He was one of the original hero's where blink dagger was a common item before people realized how broken it was, and it became common on everyone. Its still good on him because he needs a quick way to initiate. If he's not next to an enemy hero he is useless for all his hp and damage. Short and simple he's melee dps, and he has no way of getting close and no way to do anything until he is. Dagger does this well but no longer gives as easy of an escape(not that lothars gives much of an escape against better players anyways) but thankfully creep hits no longer set off the 3 seconds so it's possible. Also Treads give 65 ms, and ursa may be able to jungle but he sucks at it when compared to the usual jungle heros. His piss poor movement speed means that he has trouble running from hunters who seek out his jungling efforts or putting pressure on his lane opponents. Sure he can buy wards but he's not lich and he reallly needs some form of core item pretty fast to stay viable. He's not as bad off as some other hero's since his basic combos stack up the damage pretty badly through mid game, but he has to rely extremely heavily on others to get anything done. he's a fun hero when fed since he gets benifits from both str and AGI items, making butterfly viable as well as heart for some sick late game, but theres so many other hero's i'd rather have.
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2008, 08:56:50 PM » |
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Ursa with overpower lvl 4 have max attack speed, which is 400%. Getting any kind of attack speed is a complete waste (butterfly, treads). Blink dagger is a very good item on him, and coupled with a bkb you're ready for some serious rape. His "pisspoor" ms is 315 (?) if I remember correctly and that puts him quite up in the top. His main job though is to kill off a single target fast. Meaning he can either go for the carry hero or the tank. Ursa, as opposed to most other heroes deal more damage the more he can hit, meaning he's very effective at killing tanks. I would only really call him usefull against a carry that is being protected from disablers (they have omni), and I would prefer naix to take out tanks. So all in all ursa isn't really a hero you take to the higher lvl games. Granted, he still rapes face in pubs.
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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2008, 09:28:33 PM » |
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People get butterfly mostly because his primary attribute is agility so it adds extra damage, plus evasion. I like going heart before b fly though, thats just how I play though.
Ursa is a situation hero imo, but he can still do decent in almost any match.
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