some changes on builders...

[Darkside 121]

i couldn't switch out because i just changed . i had 1300 extra hp fully researched.  titan was volt lvl 11 so yeah
it was a long way. I changed beacuse there was a mini

[islandDer]

I don't remember Satyr being spelt Satyt.

I was thinking of saying sat not satyr but lol i should probably edit that 

[13omb]

I think beast needs damage rebuff, and maybe a few lowered cds (only like 5 secs).  But giving it 33% evasion, clap, wave and crit wouldn't  be very fair (he'd basically turn into an unstoppable killing machine with a few tomes; hmmm reminds me of another builder that starts with S and ends with T  )  As for faerie... I don't like this new idea of wards for builders.  I'd rather stick to the old-fashioned towering and hunting  of ID.

i said to give it all PASSIVE abilities so no clap or wave and having to get EVERY upgrade is hard plus 45 gold for final one, seems fair to me

[JayceJa]

firstly does magic tower work on beast form with lifesteal and poison, i would assume not, but anyway, a morph beast fully tanked with replicator is buff enough, if beast should get any more buffs it should be just another super tower that is useful on it

[13omb]

once again with the amount of gold it takes to get EVERY beast and warrior upgrade is a lot... plus the amount for the final one its prob gg by then any way its like balths strength ups... ive had 97 armor for him 97... and 600 damage (yacapo on west is fake right?)

[islandDer]

Well it's 45g for all combat skills, then on top of that 20 for arc, 35 for beast itself, 5,5 and 10 (maybe) for howl, barbs and lifesteal.  So yeah, another tower that gives some kind of skill would be better than researching more.  I think that either there should be a tower to give extra stats/skills (more hp or crit, evasion, etc) or there should be an upgrade at the very end of arc research for more health for builder, warrior and beast (because beast at end game w/o tomes only has 1300hp, and can't rewall for 90-180 secs, depending on the extent of your researching).

[Defcon_5]

Well it's 45g for all combat skills, then on top of that 20 for arc, 35 for beast itself, 5,5 and 10 (maybe) for howl, barbs and lifesteal.  So yeah, another tower that gives some kind of skill would be better than researching more.  I think that either there should be a tower to give extra stats/skills (more hp or crit, evasion, etc) or there should be an upgrade at the very end of arc research for more health for builder, warrior and beast (because beast at end game w/o tomes only has 1300hp, and can't rewall for 90-180 secs, depending on the extent of your researching).

i like the idea of a tower that can give an evasion or crit.  how about something like "Shadow Tower" with a 25% evasion
as for the sat traps, i think after dmg and crit are nerfed, the whole ninja trap thing would have some merit

[JayceJa]

evasion or critical strike as a tower skill for morph would not work too much, as it then wouldn't work too well with warrior form, though i suppose magic tower doesn't work with beast so i guess it could work, but i would rather something usefull for warrior defending a base, as well as beast fighting a minion or ganking the titan

[Sipondo]

Defender -> A tower that costs 90 gold, and wards a 20 hp/s regeneration aura that only heals buildings. Can be changed into an item. As an item, it can be replaced and can be hold to increase the hitpoints by 200 and reduces up to 20 damage each hit.

[islandDer]

They shouldn't put this in 2.8.6 (so that they don't get clogged with ideas/nerfs) but maybe consider a change in demon, like a new summon or something?

[jadegolem]

the newest summon kinda sucks. all he does is shoot out funny fireball thingidys that deals 5 damage -_- it sucks the onli good skill is forked/finger of death and nether jump which demonologist should get instead

[JayceJa]

so instant build walls at 400 range is not useful?

[Sipondo]

What are you talking about, never heard of it.