Official BRAINSTORMING Thread

[Bremetar]

Lets face it, Island Defense is dying, and so is Warcraft 3.

If Island Defense were to be remade into some sort of Star Defenders thing, how would it work? How can the game be fun / not so passive? Right now, Island Defense is just gold for 10 minutes and sitting in a base for the rest of the game. How can this be changed? There must also be an easier way to balance the game where skill doesn't play such a big role. Is there a way to make this game competitive? Some sort of way to track something?

DotA definitely fulfils most of these characteristics.

[Coaster_Man]

The reason why games like DotA are more fast paced is because to progress in the game you have to physically DO something i.e. kill players/creeps/use skills.
But in ID, the main goal for 1/2 the builders is to make a base, which costs resources. Buying lumber with gold isn't really necessary so you don't really need to gold, which is mostly the only part of the game where you pay attention, besides sieges.  So the way to win is make a lumber base/seeds and afk for 15 minutes, checking every few minutes to see if you need to detonate or remake your lumber camp. Making the resource gathering take actual work (using a skill to get resources or having to manually harvest) is not a good idea, because it's boring. The only way that resource gathering was interesting is with satyr, because to get gold/lumber you have to hit the titan, which is dangerous, therefore fun.

[theorchero]

I agree, the concept was doomed from the beginning, and we realize now is that it isn't as much the fault of WC3's age as the concept of the game itself being the problem, even vampirism has died in popularity.

[Neco]

Which is why Jakers and I are making a new game from scratch instead of continuing the hellhole this map has become.

[Bremetar]

I agree, the concept was doomed from the beginning, and we realize now is that it isn't as much the fault of WC3's age as the concept of the game itself being the problem, even vampirism has died in popularity.

it was sorta both.. i realised this a while ago.

btw neco, you could've pitched the idea here as well. I wouldn't have know about that if it weren't for smygarn. I would've definitely donated if it was a standalone game. I don't see a purpose in trying to capture a wc3 audience when most of the people who log on either already have games they like playing, or are online for DotA. Making a map on wc3 right now is like... pitching an idea and using wc3 to store it until you can do something with it in the future. There are definitely a lot of fun maps on wc3 that can be remade, however most of these maps won't be remade. LoL seems to have been very successful at doing so. They captured a large audience because its free to play but can still remain running because of micro transactions, and the concept is fun.

[theorchero]

Which is why Jakers and I are making a new game from scratch instead of continuing the hellhole this map has become.

what? I talked to him today at school and he said you banned him from ID.org

[Neco]

*Blah*

http://www.islanddefense.org/forum/index.php/topic,3426.0.html

[GunTroll]

Which is why Jakers and I are making a new game from scratch instead of continuing the hellhole this map has become.

are you talking about a standalonegame on a different engine?

[theorchero]

*Blah*

http://www.islanddefense.org/forum/index.php/topic,3426.0.html

does not answer my question.

Which is why Jakers and I are making a new game from scratch instead of continuing the hellhole this map has become.

are you talking about a standalonegame on a different engine?

Didn't we explore this earlier? We couldn't get enough support, and the cost makes it a bit far from viable, even with donations. Now if it was remade in another editor that would be fine, but right now I seriously doubt if ID could actually support and sustain a standalone game in a new form such as dota to LoL or HoN.

[Neco]

*Blah*

http://www.islanddefense.org/forum/index.php/topic,3426.0.html

does not answer my question.

Then you must be blind.



Because I like blind people, here you are:

I just downloaded yet another version, 3.0.9b, from BGN's BGN15. Why would they Jakers release 2 different versions so close to eachother if it was after beta...

FTFY.

I was at work at the time, and he decided to release a version full of neat little commands for him and his little friends to use.

Needless to say, hes no longer co-editing with me, and the released versions are void.

[theorchero]

*Blah*

http://www.islanddefense.org/forum/index.php/topic,3426.0.html

does not answer my question.

Then you must be blind.



Because I like blind people, here you are:

I just downloaded yet another version, 3.0.9b, from BGN's BGN15. Why would they Jakers release 2 different versions so close to eachother if it was after beta...

FTFY.

I was at work at the time, and he decided to release a version full of neat little commands for him and his little friends to use.

Needless to say, hes no longer co-editing with me, and the released versions are void.

Which is why Jakers and I are making a new game from scratch instead of continuing the hellhole this map has become.

I am confused because apparently you have both disowned him, banned him, and are yet developing a new game from scratch.

Methinks this is a little odd.

[Neco]

*Blerg*

Look at the timestamps perhaps?

No?

Blind people can't?

Get someone to read them for you?

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

i heard it was fun writting with big letters.

[ArtFuL]

Why's he still 'lead admin'? Releasing a version on his own and calling himself an editor for doing nothing but bullshit should be reason enough to remove every permissions he has.

[13r4ndon]

Why's he still 'lead admin'? Releasing a version on his own and calling himself an editor for doing nothing but bullshit should be reason enough to remove every permissions he has.

Well the map editing part is not really affiliated directly with BGN other than the fact that they are actually hosting his map, so i guess it does become part of BGN(contradicting myself now). But the thing that was just retarded is he crashlisted yoko and myself then banned me off the bot for getting crashed as titan...The BGN community especially the people in leadership positions is piss poor, i have first hand experience with that. Everyone will simply agree with a lead admin/head admin regardless of whether they are right or wrong because they don't have the balls to speak their mind. It's really pitiful, which is why when my lead admin complained about a ban i made i told her to fuck off and resigned. The only reason i even made a complaint against jakers on their forums was to piss some people off, i knew nothing would happen, they are a tight knit group of retards. At least it makes for some funny trolling, proxies are wonderful things.

[Bremetar]

^ expected of BGN. mind linking us some of that trolling for the lols? lets be honest, i'm probably not the only person who is interested in reading that.

I honestly didn't expect Jakers to do something like that 

What if I said there was a possibility of a standalone iD game coming out, and I'm asking for suggestions to make it happen 

[theorchero]

^ expected of BGN. mind linking us some of that trolling for the lols? lets be honest, i'm probably not the only person who is interested in reading that.

I honestly didn't expect Jakers to do something like that 

What if I said there was a possibility of a standalone iD game coming out, and I'm asking for suggestions to make it happen 

as long as you don't butcher it into a browser game...

[Neco]

What if I said there was a possibility of a standalone iD game coming out, and I'm asking for suggestions to make it happen  

The main problems are:

* Not enough good RTS camera styled game engines out there. I can make 2D game engines reasonably easily but coding a 3D engine from scratch is impossible.
* The map itself isn't actually a good enough concept to be made into a standalone game (with an AI titan, yes but who wants to code that shit).
* It'd take forever without a dedicated team, and I don't think there is a big enough community to do that.

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

Guess what, ive stopped carring about BGN simply because:

a) Community is terrible and gives no retribution for me doing shit for them
b) There are stupid people hosting badly edited maps made from someone who should not be an editor
c) Suspending me for a week for the stupidest reason
d) I am piss mad about their choice of leads (especially dota part) Nasta makes a big problem our of nothingness and they promote people that have been there for about 1 week
e) Every good person that tries to put a change in the way shit is down get put down byt the high ups and leaves
f) Stupid people

[13r4ndon]

Guess what, ive stopped carring about BGN simply because:

a) Community is terrible and gives no retribution for me doing shit for them
b) There are stupid people hosting badly edited maps made from someone who should not be an editor
c) Suspending me for a week for the stupidest reason
d) I am piss mad about their choice of leads (especially dota part) Nasta makes a big problem our of nothingness and they promote people that have been there for about 1 week
e) Every good person that tries to put a change in the way shit is down get put down byt the high ups and leaves
f) Stupid people

Lol nastasha is a big retard. She's the reason i left as well because she had a problem with me banning 3 people for something that's in their rules twice. Once under general warcraft rules and once under dota rules. I just told her to fuck off, not going to have stupid people trying to boss me around, especially not on a game.

[theorchero]

Guess what, ive stopped carring about BGN simply because:

a) Community is terrible and gives no retribution for me doing shit for them
b) There are stupid people hosting badly edited maps made from someone who should not be an editor
c) Suspending me for a week for the stupidest reason
d) I am piss mad about their choice of leads (especially dota part) Nasta makes a big problem our of nothingness and they promote people that have been there for about 1 week
e) Every good person that tries to put a change in the way shit is down get put down byt the high ups and leaves
f) Stupid people

Lol nastasha is a big retard. She's the reason i left as well because she had a problem with me banning 3 people for something that's in their rules twice. Once under general warcraft rules and once under dota rules. I just told her to fuck off, not going to have stupid people trying to boss me around, especially not on a game.

[13r4ndon]

Guess what, ive stopped carring about BGN simply because:

a) Community is terrible and gives no retribution for me doing shit for them
b) There are stupid people hosting badly edited maps made from someone who should not be an editor
c) Suspending me for a week for the stupidest reason
d) I am piss mad about their choice of leads (especially dota part) Nasta makes a big problem our of nothingness and they promote people that have been there for about 1 week
e) Every good person that tries to put a change in the way shit is down get put down byt the high ups and leaves
f) Stupid people

Lol nastasha is a big retard. She's the reason i left as well because she had a problem with me banning 3 people for something that's in their rules twice. Once under general warcraft rules and once under dota rules. I just told her to fuck off, not going to have stupid people trying to boss me around, especially not on a game.

World peace.

[Playerof]

Well theoretically it could be made into a 1st person game. I've had many ideas regarding this.
Tell me if I should continue.
BGN: too many fin' admins

[Coaster_Man]

Well theoretically it could be made into a 1st person game. I've had many ideas regarding this.
Tell me if I should continue.
BGN: too many fin' admins

how to detonate workers in 1st person

[Playerof]

WELL now that you mention it. There would be a unit manege bar wear you could give commands.
It would be a very different game that would have more action. Just what we need!