Make Panda's cyclone escape punishable

[Ryld]

The cyclone that Panda builder has when it uses split to escape needs to be a skill which can be punished. With the air guy already having ww to escape with as well, having an unpunishable cyclone is over powered. Plus I've had many instances when I was titaning where I would use a wand of the wind on a builder and have an assured kill at hand. However, a nearby Panda would cyclone me allowing the formerly doomed builder to easily escape. Nerf cyclone escape nao!!

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

Why would it be nerfed for builders and not for titan?
Also, how the fuck would you want panda to escape with split.

[turbo]

Why would it be nerfed for builders and not for titan?
Also, how the fuck would you want panda to escape with split.

Not fire and earths fault they have no escapes... Something should probably be done with that.

[Coaster_Man]

Why would it be nerfed for builders and not for titan?
Also, how the fuck would you want panda to escape with split.

Not fire and earths fault they have no escapes... Something should probably be done with that.

earth is magic immune and fire .... yeah he sucks.
if its punishable it sucks, so no

[Neco]

Well, all the abilities they have now are the default ladder ones (lazy panda)...

Think we should turn this into a "What should they have?" thread?

[Ryld]

As I said wind already has windwalk. Its not that hard to use windwalk with the wind dude and then have the other two split up and run off. And @ muddy_panda what the fuck are you talking about the titan for? Nerfing wand of the wind? Wand can be detonated off, use your head son. It is an overpowered ability that is under utilized and makes panda a very strong in base support. Just use cyclone and have dude your supporting wall in titan, easy as pie

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

As I said wind already has windwalk. Its not that hard to use windwalk with the wind dude and then have the other two split up and run off. And @ muddy_panda what the fuck are you talking about the titan for? Nerfing wand of the wind? Wand can be detonated off, use your head son. It is an overpowered ability that is under utilized and makes panda a very strong in base support. Just use cyclone and have dude your supporting wall in titan, easy as pie

first of all, use another fucking language to talk to me, your not my superior,
also, ive never said that it should stay completely like that, if you are going to nerf cyclone, buff up the other 2, you cant just fuck up his escape completely, panda already got nerfed a fuckton alltogether. Nobody ever plays him anymore unless they random him.

[Frankjg]

Cyclone is a little too strong if you ask me. I would just take it off the wind panda's abilities. Perhaps you could give him some type of slow aura instead? Or even let him use the wind storm ability that he can use in the elemental legend wind form, with slightly nerfed numbers.

It would also be great if the fire panda would gain some type of escape as well. Maybe a fire bolt stun which is punishable?

And finally, It would be great to see the earth split have some type of damage reduction. Something like 50 damage reduced each attack? Otherwise the taunt isn't all that helpful.


Just brainstorming some ideas, feel free to hate on them.

[Striker]

As I said wind already has windwalk. Its not that hard to use windwalk with the wind dude and then have the other two split up and run off. And @ muddy_panda what the fuck are you talking about the titan for? Nerfing wand of the wind? Wand can be detonated off, use your head son. It is an overpowered ability that is under utilized and makes panda a very strong in base support. Just use cyclone and have dude your supporting wall in titan, easy as pie

first of all, use another fucking language to talk to me, your not my superior,
also, ive never said that it should stay completely like that, if you are going to nerf cyclone, buff up the other 2, you cant just fuck up his escape completely, panda already got nerfed a fuckton alltogether. Nobody ever plays him anymore unless they random him.

If you die with Panda's ulti you need your fucking head checked. What do you want with the dam escape, to be able to juke titan and 10 minions? Panda is suppose to be jack-of-all-trades, not escape artist specialist.

Panda already has the best escape in the game, being able to punish off cyclone won't change that fact. It's pathetic if you think its fine as it is.

[Striker]

Why would it be nerfed for builders and not for titan?
Also, how the fuck would you want panda to escape with split.

If there was a facepalm emoticon, this would be the quote to use it for.

How do you escape with Troll? Theres your fucking answer.

Honestly the w/l ratio for builders is already like 80%, and you go against anything that will make the titan stronger? It's a good thing ID is already dead cause you'd be ridiculed like krazy russian was by now.

[kyleep]

Want to punish panda's ult? How about not making it last 60s so I don't have to chase the brown panda across the entire map for 60seconds, hoping that he is retarded enough not to cross any walled off path or escape path.

[Coaster_Man]

It is kinda easy to kill a split panda. Right when he splits you attack the storm one, he will probably cyclone then windwalk after you hit him, but his cyclone lasts 2 seconds and so does your slow poi. After you fall, pearl and kill storm, then fire/earth. Or just chase earth if he's dumb and goes into a seed/doesn't run, but that takes forever. Imo it should not be punishable because it isn't that overpowered for protecting it self.

However it is annoying when you have a smart panda at the gold mound, who when his friend is about to die, he splits and cyclones you so you can't get that last hit or nuke.

[kyleep]

What do you do if he splits the panda in all 3 directions?

[Striker]

What do you do if he splits the panda in all 3 directions?

What? You can do that? No way, totes has to try that out!

[Coaster_Man]

you follow earth, but they run so slow anyways, if you have any minis just micro kill them

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

you follow earth, but they run so slow anyways, if you have any minis just micro kill them

that, and following an earth isnt hard, expecially when you have a mini. tbh, i rather have a troll's ww then having to go back at earth.

EDIT: Just a sugestion, perhaps we could make it so you can respawn at any of the 3 within the duration of the escape (60 secs, could be less idc) but at the 60 secs, if you havnt it goes to earth? Would make it more reliable. To balance it out, completely remove his cyclone. Problem solved.

[Zen1400]

And still make him impossible to kill. There is no way you can die as panda unless you are the only one alive and have no walls up, or just get rushed the second you split. If you don't get panda right away you can't get him at all unless he runs to a seed like an idiot. Being able to then select which one of the 3 you split to is even more bs because then you will never kill him since he will just about always pick wind or fire.

Honestly how do you not get splitting up the 3 pandas is impossible to catch, if there are any walls around. The second I walk through some walls I'm home free, and unlike any other skill I get 60 seconds to walk through as many walls as I want, and to harass with cyclone.

[PoNy]

You always spawn on earth.

Titan follows the slow earth during split, blocks off escapes and panda is dead.

Cyclone is currently the best disable for the builders since it makes the titan invulnerable, making sure no single target dispels will work (Kind of like grant avatar and abysmal water)

But it doesn't last that long and all it does it become a nuisance at best, if you have minions stationed nearby there should be no problems when they come to help as long as you nuke them.

[Striker]

You always spawn on earth.

Titan follows the slow earth during split, blocks off escapes and panda is dead.

Cyclone is currently the best disable for the builders since it makes the titan invulnerable, making sure no single target dispels will work (Kind of like grant avatar and abysmal water)

But it doesn't last that long and all it does it become a nuisance at best, if you have minions stationed nearby there should be no problems when they come to help as long as you nuke them.

You have 60 seconds to run to a fricking place, and its either he kills earth or you're home free. Also, how is that any different then something like panic or windwalk where they block off the escapes? An escape isn't suppose to be fool-proof.

If everyone is hell-bent on keeping or making the escape better, at least make the cyclone or whatever ideas you have an upgrade that costs 20-25 gold.

[PoNy]

You always spawn on earth.

Titan follows the slow earth during split, blocks off escapes and panda is dead.

Cyclone is currently the best disable for the builders since it makes the titan invulnerable, making sure no single target dispels will work (Kind of like grant avatar and abysmal water)

But it doesn't last that long and all it does it become a nuisance at best, if you have minions stationed nearby there should be no problems when they come to help as long as you nuke them.

You have 60 seconds to run to a fricking place, and its either he kills earth or you're home free. Also, how is that any different then something like panic or windwalk where they block off the escapes? An escape isn't suppose to be fool-proof.

If everyone is hell-bent on keeping or making the escape better, at least make the cyclone or whatever ideas you have an upgrade that costs 20-25 gold.

Earth is slow and has nothing special about him other then his semi magic immunity, as long as earth lives and is in the open he is dead, if he enters a seed he is also dead.

Cyclone is the only viable way to try keep earth alive and in vague attempts escape, it doesn't last that long and can only be used after he splits which in fact takes time.

A better solution then making it an upgrade is to just reduce it's cast range to something more dangerous.

[Zen1400]

60 seconds of running around the map, and you can't get to someone's base, or have someone start making some choke points?

Cyclone last longer than most other escapes that affect titan since it can't be punished and even then it still has a long duration, and no shit he has to split to use cyclone, that at max takes a second.

WTF, I don't even know what to say to the last part. Dangerous?? Are you retarded? Oh no i have to get close to titan as only 1 part of the builder, while my other 2 parts run away. Oh wait don't forget once I get close I DISABLE TITAN COMPLETELY.

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

And still make him impossible to kill. There is no way you can die as panda unless you are the only one alive and have no walls up, or just get rushed the second you split. If you don't get panda right away you can't get him at all unless he runs to a seed like an idiot. Being able to then select which one of the 3 you split to is even more bs because then you will never kill him since he will just about always pick wind or fire.

Honestly how do you not get splitting up the 3 pandas is impossible to catch, if there are any walls around. The second I walk through some walls I'm home free, and unlike any other skill I get 60 seconds to walk through as many walls as I want, and to harass with cyclone.

i just fucking said that you put off the cyclone ability to balance it out. l2r.

[PoNy]

It's dangerous when supporting because it can possibly create a bounce point.

[Striker]

If all the titan does is follow earth, you can use fire to block the titan so he either targets it or gets blocked and gives you a few extra seconds. Not to mention with 60 seconds you can bring workers out to worker block.

[Striker]

You always spawn on earth.

Titan follows the slow earth during split, blocks off escapes and panda is dead.

Cyclone is currently the best disable for the builders since it makes the titan invulnerable, making sure no single target dispels will work (Kind of like grant avatar and abysmal water)

But it doesn't last that long and all it does it become a nuisance at best, if you have minions stationed nearby there should be no problems when they come to help as long as you nuke them.

You have 60 seconds to run to a fricking place, and its either he kills earth or you're home free. Also, how is that any different then something like panic or windwalk where they block off the escapes? An escape isn't suppose to be fool-proof.

If everyone is hell-bent on keeping or making the escape better, at least make the cyclone or whatever ideas you have an upgrade that costs 20-25 gold.

Earth is slow and has nothing special about him other then his semi magic immunity, as long as earth lives and is in the open he is dead, if he enters a seed he is also dead.

Cyclone is the only viable way to try keep earth alive and in vague attempts escape, it doesn't last that long and can only be used after he splits which in fact takes time.

A better solution then making it an upgrade is to just reduce it's cast range to something more dangerous.

This is what I see. Either A) leave it the way it is with either removing or making tornado punishable, or B) leaving it as it is and making the escape last 15 seconds.