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« on: July 12, 2011, 04:07:35 PM » |
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Another SC2er here, again here to ask the WC3er's opinion on an issue.
I dunno how many of you play SC2ID, but for those of you that do, maybe you've noticed every titan lacks a slow poison, and 6 of the 7 titans lack a windwalk.
As of the current patch, Titans have a difficult time catching builders - even when there's no jukes set up. Builders can gold while the titan is at the mound, killing walls, and they can easily run away if he turns his attention towards them.
Let's look at the Titans and their chasing abilities:
Archon: Psionic Rage (Increases movespeed by 1, or 25%), a 15/30/45 second cloak with a name that eludes me.
Ultralisk: Fungal Growth (A point-targeted nuke, like Grant's, that slows over the duration, which is 1.5@level 3.)
Immortal: Gravitational Lift (Lifts target unit for ~1.5 seconds. During this time, they can be attacked. The Immortal channels for the duration. After the duration ends, damage is applied, as this is the Immo's nuke. It's like WotW, but doesn't invuln the target.) Best titan for killing, imo, though he requires someone else to do most of the damage.
Past that, Titans have no chasing abilities. Note three of these (Infestor, Demonicus, Thor) are getting reworks, afaik.
Thor: Probably the worst for chasing. He cannot slow, his nuke is an AoE channel. His only advantage for killing is an extra scan, which earns a dead DT in most pub games.
Infestor: Based off Fossy, he has a burrow. Unfortunately, when he burrows, he leaves a somewhat noticeable black oval above him. He only gets kills with Burrow if you're retarded. Also, he has a 2x2 Nydus canal that he can summon at will, which has lead to some 'nydus blocks,' ie wardblocks.
Firebat: No chasing abilities. The closest you could use is his nuke, which granted does 200 damage fairly quickly. Will usually get a kill if you don't get behind a juke, but so will everyone else.
Demonicus: Terrible at chasing. His nuke blinds for the duration (12 seconds, but after 16 seconds total it could get respread to you) and does % damage, 40% total at level 3. He's good at finishing it if he gets the drop on you. He has a shadowmeld, like WC3's Demonicus, which sometimes gets him a kill.
What I'm asking the WC3 community is, do you guys think Titans should have any combination of an innate Slow Poison, a learnable Windwalk, a WotW, and a Windwalk item?
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2011, 04:13:03 PM » |
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>innate Slow Poison
yes
>learnable Windwalk
just about all titans should
>a WotW
yes
>Windwalk item?
yes
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2011, 04:20:47 PM » |
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What sickle said.
Island Defense is a game of cat and mouse primarily until Builders get the resources in order to build up a defense, therefore you need abilities to catch them early game.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2011, 11:04:44 PM » |
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They should have 90% of those, each titan lacking in one area of chasing but excelling in another. Glacious excels in the poison slow area with his innate, and nuke. Molt excels in the windwalk, windwalk item, wand, and ward block areas but lacks a decent slow poison (he makes up for this with massive damage though) and breeze excels in the cyclone area but lacks in the poison. Basicly, whatever the titan IS missing should be made up for in some other way. As brem said, it's a game of cat and mouse. Also, SCrap2 fails. I'm waiting for D3  |
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2011, 11:06:36 PM » |
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They should have 90% of those, each titan lacking in one area of chasing but excelling in another. Glacious excels in the poison slow area with his innate, and nuke. Molt excels in the windwalk, windwalk item, wand, and ward block areas but lacks a decent slow poison (he makes up for this with massive damage though) and breeze excels in the cyclone area but lacks in the poison. Basicly, whatever the titan IS missing should be made up for in some other way. As brem said, it's a game of cat and mouse. Also, SCrap2 fails. I'm waiting for D3 When did Brem post? |
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2011, 02:38:16 AM » |
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They should have 90% of those, each titan lacking in one area of chasing but excelling in another. Glacious excels in the poison slow area with his innate, and nuke. Molt excels in the windwalk, windwalk item, wand, and ward block areas but lacks a decent slow poison (he makes up for this with massive damage though) and breeze excels in the cyclone area but lacks in the poison. Basicly, whatever the titan IS missing should be made up for in some other way. As brem said, it's a game of cat and mouse. Also, SCrap2 fails. I'm waiting for D3 When did Brem post? Brem is a ninja poster, didnt you see him? |
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2011, 08:05:14 AM » |
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I shit my pants he disappeared so fast.
on topic: Yes, windwalk and slow poison are COMPLETELY necessary to a cat and mouse game.
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2011, 08:34:33 AM » |
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Wind walk and slow poision are needed, well not if builders dont have escape skill
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2011, 04:28:53 PM » |
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yea i was sorta wondering why sc2 didnt have slow poison. its hard to chase as a titan, seeing as how builders still have their escape abilities and most golders run FASTER than the titan. the lack of windwalk sucks as well. its just retarded how easily and safely builders can gold...
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2011, 05:24:01 PM » |
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Thanks for the replies. Glad you guys all agree with me. Maybe this will convince others. ._. Hate to see Titans go miniless. I'd love to actually have to wall off the gold to escape the titan for once.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2011, 05:26:23 PM » |
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Maybe its just me, but everything in sc2id seems to go really fast. As in, the attack speed, movespeed etc. Perhaps I think that because it is smoother (animation wise) than warcraft, but for example a level 2 titan in wc3id attacks fairly slow, and without feet is a turtle.
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2011, 05:36:46 PM » |
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Add lack of increase movement speed item to the list.
Scouting is also pretty hard. Throughout the game, I find myself just aimlessly wandering around the map hoping to find a base. And that is with scan(And you can't buy scan right away like in wc3, even with random). Even when you kill someone, it doesn't reveal anything, unless the person that died rats the team out. And the minion doesn't spawn until some amount of time, so he can't even scout either.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2011, 05:46:35 PM » |
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Sc2ID is currently balanced to cater to new players as well
Maybe it will change Blizzard soon
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2011, 05:57:52 PM » |
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Sc2id sucks ass period  shut up |
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2011, 08:30:33 PM » |
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Sc2id sucks ass period shut up how is stating his opinion mute worthy? some of you mods need to take a chill pill sometimes. |
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2011, 08:47:04 PM » |
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All of his negative comments are annoying, and most of them are negative.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2011, 09:00:51 PM » |
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All of his negative comments are annoying, and most of them are negative.
Actually 100% of his negative comments are negative. But yes, no need to randomly post hate messages, even if haters be hatin'. |
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2011, 11:39:32 AM » |
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They should have 90% of those, each titan lacking in one area of chasing but excelling in another. Glacious excels in the poison slow area with his innate, and nuke. Molt excels in the windwalk, windwalk item, wand, and ward block areas but lacks a decent slow poison (he makes up for this with massive damage though) and breeze excels in the cyclone area but lacks in the poison. Basicly, whatever the titan IS missing should be made up for in some other way. As brem said, it's a game of cat and mouse. Also, SCrap2 fails. I'm waiting for D3 When did Brem post? Neco**** Sorry I was reading multiple threads lol. |
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2011, 11:42:11 AM » |
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Sc2id sucks ass period shut up Uhm... wow. That's like getting thrown in jail for saying G.W.B wasn't as good a president as Abe Lincoln or George Washington. EDIT: pro double post... sorry! |
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2011, 08:25:54 PM » |
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Titan lacking slow poison and windwalk is but one problem.
Last time I played, changeling took half my health in a single shot when I was trying to nuke him down in a seed. Was fucking ridiculous, I had to back off because his auto attack was enough
to take out all my health... Satyr is one thing with his random crits, but changeling is another with his set burst of damage.
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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2011, 10:18:27 PM » |
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Titan lacking slow poison and windwalk is but one problem.
Last time I played, changeling took half my health in a single shot when I was trying to nuke him down in a seed. Was fucking ridiculous, I had to back off because his auto attack was enough
to take out all my health... Satyr is one thing with his random crits, but changeling is another with his set burst of damage.
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2011, 01:02:56 PM » |
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That game is Wc3 ID imbalance of builders vs. titans on crack.
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2011, 08:01:31 AM » |
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I wonder if anyone will be able to make an Island Defense map/mod with D3.
On topic: I think the SC2 ID should start being a clone of the wc3 id and advancing from there, it's the safest way.
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2011, 08:47:28 AM » |
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I wonder if anyone will be able to make an Island Defense map/mod with D3.
On topic: I think the SC2 ID should start being a clone of the wc3 id and advancing from there, it's the safest way.
Blizzard already said Diablo III wont have a public editor for the community to use, and plus that would be pretty stupid. |
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2011, 08:48:10 AM » |
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I wonder if anyone will be able to make an Island Defense map/mod with D3.
On topic: I think the SC2 ID should start being a clone of the wc3 id and advancing from there, it's the safest way.
Blizzard already said Diablo III wont have a public editor for the community to use, and plus that would be pretty stupid. yeah...would be a bad idea... |
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