the troll shady thread

[Jux.Mage]

What if Titan just nukes your worker spots, then?
What about mini-minions?

[burn]

What if Titan just nukes your worker spots, then?

Refer to point:
(iii)Prevent fog worker nuking:

What about mini-minions?

Method of walling is only for early lumber bases

ie. lumber basing before minions.

-If you want to full deny after minions, then you can make fake built buildings around the entrance of each lumber base to prevent the mini-minions from entering the base.

[Gwypaas]

I like to have 2k extra wood when I base due to not upgrading any useless early wall I put down. I.E. lumber base walls, with some reaction speed denying a full lumber base on 2 un-upgraded walls is no problem at all unless the titan is starting to get some levels. Sure you might get a bit less time to gold but just wall him out of mid with unfinished walls and gold away.

[sickle]

>Therefore, if all (or most) builders in the game does this, the titan would have a hard time getting feed due to the requirement of munching 4~5 walls before acquiring feed, giving the builders a lot of time to form a gold party around mid (assuming no minion, as it is still early game).
Only problem ... 4-5 walls are a lot of feed already.

[Gwypaas]

>Therefore, if all (or most) builders in the game does this, the titan would have a hard time getting feed due to the requirement of munching 4~5 walls before acquiring feed, giving the builders a lot of time to form a gold party around mid (assuming no minion, as it is still early game).
Only problem ... 4-5 walls are a lot of feed already.

And a ton of lumber wasted on your end.

[Coaster_Man]

Ok, so titan gets 5 gold at one side of the walls, and the builders get like 60g? sounds ok

[sickle]

No, they get a shitload of experience too.

[Gwypaas]

No, they get a shitload of experience too.

They don't but a smart titan won't stand there hitting your walls until he gets a mini wasting time and giving you a ton of gold, instead he'll just continue to pearl around he map until he finds the nukable bases while he camps the gold trying to get a mini.

[burn]

"And a ton of lumber wasted on your end."

You can't seem to grasp the concept that I mean EARLY lumber basing, and you won't be wasting a lot of lumber due to the following point: (ii)Not wasting early lumber. This method is good if you base mid left close base, as titan would take a really long walk just to try and nuke you from behind the base.

There are two ways of going AFTER titan gets a minion:

1) Since i mentioned i normally keep 6 fruit trees in the base, sometimes I deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees to prevent further gold feed.
2) Leave the walls, upgrade when titan / minion comes.

i) If titan attacks base, that means the titan would get attacked by at least one of your fruit trees, since i generally put fruit trees further outside for titans to sometimes delay the titan into going back and "trying" to auto attack the trees. This in turn, would cancel the "your unit is under attack" notification and ping from middle, giving easy access to builder/hunter rush mini (hold) / easy trapping mini.

ii) If minion attacks base (normally when titan has more than one minion, he/she uses minions to attack full deny bases, so it gives chance to easy trapping outside of mid. (Although there would be a notification saying "unit is under attack" and minion could be easily teleported to mid)

Generally when I am in a pub, when titan gets a minion, I just deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees. I can show some replays later if you want, but my net is capped so I won't be playing any games for a while.

-Adding to first post to sum up further misunderstandings.

-BurnShady

[Gwypaas]

"And a ton of lumber wasted on your end."

You can't seem to grasp the concept that I mean EARLY lumber basing, and you won't be wasting a lot of lumber due to the following point: (ii)Not wasting early lumber. This method is good if you base mid left close base, as titan would take a really long walk just to try and nuke you from behind the base.

There are two ways of going AFTER titan gets a minion:

1) Since i mentioned i normally keep 6 fruit trees in the base, sometimes I deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees to prevent further gold feed.
2) Leave the walls, upgrade when titan / minion comes.

i) If titan attacks base, that means the titan would get attacked by at least one of your fruit trees, since i generally put fruit trees further outside for titans to sometimes delay the titan into going back and "trying" to auto attack the trees. This in turn, would cancel the "your unit is under attack" notification and ping from middle, giving easy access to builder/hunter rush mini (hold) / easy trapping mini.

ii) If minion attacks base (normally when titan has more than one minion, he/she uses minions to attack full deny bases, so it gives chance to easy trapping outside of mid. (Although there would be a notification saying "unit is under attack" and minion could be easily teleported to mid)

Generally when I am in a pub, when titan gets a minion, I just deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees. I can show some replays later if you want, but my net is capped so I won't be playing any games for a while.

-Adding to first post to sum up further misunderstandings.

-BurnShady

And now you have wasted 1500 lumber on upgraded walls in one base while getting no extra gold if the titan is smart.

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

"And a ton of lumber wasted on your end."

You can't seem to grasp the concept that I mean EARLY lumber basing, and you won't be wasting a lot of lumber due to the following point: (ii)Not wasting early lumber. This method is good if you base mid left close base, as titan would take a really long walk just to try and nuke you from behind the base.

There are two ways of going AFTER titan gets a minion:

1) Since i mentioned i normally keep 6 fruit trees in the base, sometimes I deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees to prevent further gold feed.
2) Leave the walls, upgrade when titan / minion comes.

i) If titan attacks base, that means the titan would get attacked by at least one of your fruit trees, since i generally put fruit trees further outside for titans to sometimes delay the titan into going back and "trying" to auto attack the trees. This in turn, would cancel the "your unit is under attack" notification and ping from middle, giving easy access to builder/hunter rush mini (hold) / easy trapping mini.

ii) If minion attacks base (normally when titan has more than one minion, he/she uses minions to attack full deny bases, so it gives chance to easy trapping outside of mid. (Although there would be a notification saying "unit is under attack" and minion could be easily teleported to mid)

Generally when I am in a pub, when titan gets a minion, I just deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees. I can show some replays later if you want, but my net is capped so I won't be playing any games for a while.

-Adding to first post to sum up further misunderstandings.

-BurnShady

And now you have wasted 1500 lumber on upgraded walls in one base while getting no extra gold if the titan is smart.

This, is completely accurate.

[burn]

"And a ton of lumber wasted on your end."

You can't seem to grasp the concept that I mean EARLY lumber basing, and you won't be wasting a lot of lumber due to the following point: (ii)Not wasting early lumber. This method is good if you base mid left close base, as titan would take a really long walk just to try and nuke you from behind the base.

There are two ways of going AFTER titan gets a minion:

1) Since i mentioned i normally keep 6 fruit trees in the base, sometimes I deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees to prevent further gold feed.
2) Leave the walls, upgrade when titan / minion comes.

i) If titan attacks base, that means the titan would get attacked by at least one of your fruit trees, since i generally put fruit trees further outside for titans to sometimes delay the titan into going back and "trying" to auto attack the trees. This in turn, would cancel the "your unit is under attack" notification and ping from middle, giving easy access to builder/hunter rush mini (hold) / easy trapping mini.

ii) If minion attacks base (normally when titan has more than one minion, he/she uses minions to attack full deny bases, so it gives chance to easy trapping outside of mid. (Although there would be a notification saying "unit is under attack" and minion could be easily teleported to mid)

Generally when I am in a pub, when titan gets a minion, I just deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees. I can show some replays later if you want, but my net is capped so I won't be playing any games for a while.

-Adding to first post to sum up further misunderstandings.

-BurnShady

And now you have wasted 1500 lumber on upgraded walls in one base while getting no extra gold if the titan is smart.

Only using 250 lumber + 200 extra lumber for unupgraded walls.

(ii)Not wasting early lumber.

I generally only upgrade the first wall of my lumber base until titan comes.

Cheers,
BurnShady

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

"And a ton of lumber wasted on your end."

You can't seem to grasp the concept that I mean EARLY lumber basing, and you won't be wasting a lot of lumber due to the following point: (ii)Not wasting early lumber. This method is good if you base mid left close base, as titan would take a really long walk just to try and nuke you from behind the base.

There are two ways of going AFTER titan gets a minion:

1) Since i mentioned i normally keep 6 fruit trees in the base, sometimes I deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees to prevent further gold feed.
2) Leave the walls, upgrade when titan / minion comes.

i) If titan attacks base, that means the titan would get attacked by at least one of your fruit trees, since i generally put fruit trees further outside for titans to sometimes delay the titan into going back and "trying" to auto attack the trees. This in turn, would cancel the "your unit is under attack" notification and ping from middle, giving easy access to builder/hunter rush mini (hold) / easy trapping mini.

ii) If minion attacks base (normally when titan has more than one minion, he/she uses minions to attack full deny bases, so it gives chance to easy trapping outside of mid. (Although there would be a notification saying "unit is under attack" and minion could be easily teleported to mid)

Generally when I am in a pub, when titan gets a minion, I just deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees. I can show some replays later if you want, but my net is capped so I won't be playing any games for a while.

-Adding to first post to sum up further misunderstandings.

-BurnShady

And now you have wasted 1500 lumber on upgraded walls in one base while getting no extra gold if the titan is smart.

Only using 250 lumber + 200 extra lumber for unupgraded walls.

(ii)Not wasting early lumber.

I generally only upgrade the first wall of my lumber base until titan comes.

Cheers,
BurnShady

And then you waste 1k lumber.

[burn]

"And a ton of lumber wasted on your end."

You can't seem to grasp the concept that I mean EARLY lumber basing, and you won't be wasting a lot of lumber due to the following point: (ii)Not wasting early lumber. This method is good if you base mid left close base, as titan would take a really long walk just to try and nuke you from behind the base.

There are two ways of going AFTER titan gets a minion:

1) Since i mentioned i normally keep 6 fruit trees in the base, sometimes I deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees to prevent further gold feed.
2) Leave the walls, upgrade when titan / minion comes.

i) If titan attacks base, that means the titan would get attacked by at least one of your fruit trees, since i generally put fruit trees further outside for titans to sometimes delay the titan into going back and "trying" to auto attack the trees. This in turn, would cancel the "your unit is under attack" notification and ping from middle, giving easy access to builder/hunter rush mini (hold) / easy trapping mini.

ii) If minion attacks base (normally when titan has more than one minion, he/she uses minions to attack full deny bases, so it gives chance to easy trapping outside of mid. (Although there would be a notification saying "unit is under attack" and minion could be easily teleported to mid)

Generally when I am in a pub, when titan gets a minion, I just deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees. I can show some replays later if you want, but my net is capped so I won't be playing any games for a while.

-Adding to first post to sum up further misunderstandings.

-BurnShady

And now you have wasted 1500 lumber on upgraded walls in one base while getting no extra gold if the titan is smart.

Only using 250 lumber + 200 extra lumber for unupgraded walls.

(ii)Not wasting early lumber.

I generally only upgrade the first wall of my lumber base until titan comes.

Cheers,
BurnShady

And then you waste 1k lumber.

Idk if you're trolling or not but it seems pretty reasonable that the 1k wood would not be a "waste" if you spend all your time golding in that period of time. And as mentioned above, it depends how far the titan breaks in, upgrading walls one at a time as titan goes through the walls. ie. when he attacks first wall, upgrade second wall...after second wall is hit, upgrade third...etc.etc.

This is the whole point of this guide, titans do not usually go through all the walls until he gets a minion since going through 5 upgraded walls is too time consuming.

[Gwypaas]

"And a ton of lumber wasted on your end."

You can't seem to grasp the concept that I mean EARLY lumber basing, and you won't be wasting a lot of lumber due to the following point: (ii)Not wasting early lumber. This method is good if you base mid left close base, as titan would take a really long walk just to try and nuke you from behind the base.

There are two ways of going AFTER titan gets a minion:

1) Since i mentioned i normally keep 6 fruit trees in the base, sometimes I deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees to prevent further gold feed.
2) Leave the walls, upgrade when titan / minion comes.

i) If titan attacks base, that means the titan would get attacked by at least one of your fruit trees, since i generally put fruit trees further outside for titans to sometimes delay the titan into going back and "trying" to auto attack the trees. This in turn, would cancel the "your unit is under attack" notification and ping from middle, giving easy access to builder/hunter rush mini (hold) / easy trapping mini.

ii) If minion attacks base (normally when titan has more than one minion, he/she uses minions to attack full deny bases, so it gives chance to easy trapping outside of mid. (Although there would be a notification saying "unit is under attack" and minion could be easily teleported to mid)

Generally when I am in a pub, when titan gets a minion, I just deny the un-upgraded walls with my fruit trees. I can show some replays later if you want, but my net is capped so I won't be playing any games for a while.

-Adding to first post to sum up further misunderstandings.

-BurnShady

And now you have wasted 1500 lumber on upgraded walls in one base while getting no extra gold if the titan is smart.

Only using 250 lumber + 200 extra lumber for unupgraded walls.

(ii)Not wasting early lumber.

I generally only upgrade the first wall of my lumber base until titan comes.

Cheers,
BurnShady

And then you waste 1k lumber.

Idk if you're trolling or not but it seems pretty reasonable that the 1k wood would not be a "waste" if you spend all your time golding in that period of time. And as mentioned above, it depends how far the titan breaks in, upgrading walls one at a time as titan goes through the walls. ie. when he attacks first wall, upgrade second wall...after second wall is hit, upgrade third...etc.etc.

This is the whole point of this guide, titans do not usually go through all the walls until he gets a minion since going through 5 upgraded walls is too time consuming.

Stop being a retard, what he meant is that any smart titan won't hit that base since the feed he'll get from inside the base is too low compared to the time spent and if everyone uses such a tactic just go nuke workers and you'll get your exp while farming up some items from walls around mid, and you wasted lumber doing that while titan probably will get an easy kill since he darts in and out of mid.

[Bobopinkshorts]

I think this method would only work mostly in pub games. I mean really how many smart titans are in pub games?

[burn]

Whether the titan is smart or not he will either attack base (giving time for gold if mini is absent), or leave base (have a lumber base that lasts until minion).

[Smygarn]

You are trying to make the point that having many walls might convince the titan to leave your base alone, lest he's prepared for a gold party at mid while he's doing it?
I dont understand whats so wrong about this, it is a technique for the titan to either largely ignore the base, or make him waste alot of time breaching it. Some builders can get a hunter to deny these excess walls after the first minion is acquired, so i dont see the problem.

Apart from being unnecessary after the first minion.

[burn]

You are trying to make the point that having many walls might convince the titan to leave your base alone, lest he's prepared for a gold party at mid while he's doing it?
I dont understand whats so wrong about this, it is a technique for the titan to either largely ignore the base, or make him waste alot of time breaching it. Some builders can get a hunter to deny these excess walls after the first minion is acquired, so i dont see the problem.

Apart from being unnecessary after the first minion.

Thank you, finally someone who understands english.

Was beginning to think that everyone here was illiterate retards that flame a guide before reading and understanding the whole thread.

I just want to add that you can make EVEN more walls if you want the titan to completely ignore your whole lumber base. ie. 10 wall lumber base (top right lumber base, or far right lumber base.)

Tyvm,
BurnShady

[sickle]

burn is the kind of person I hate.  Everyone else remarks on how shitty his strategy is so he results to name calling and claiming they don't understand.

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

This is the dumbest shit ever, you lose more lumber by making 10 walls then making 5 alternate lumber bases ready to go.
Your strategy is completely useless, its just way better to make one with one or two walls, then make a second one with the walls and shelters also ready to go if the other gets killed.

[Dizzy1]

4) With 5 walls, it gives the builders time to form a gold party around mid for around 40 titan hits on the upgraded walls he is about to encounter.

Of course, mass-walling can apply to generally all normal lumber bases, it just costs more lumber to upgrade the first wall of each lumber base. (250 300  * n, n = number of walls per layer).

[SuramarXStealth]

4) With 5 walls, it gives the builders time to form a gold party around mid for around 40 titan hits on the upgraded walls he is about to encounter.

Of course, mass-walling can apply to generally all normal lumber bases, it just costs more lumber to upgrade the first wall of each lumber base. (250 300  * n, n = number of walls per layer).

Did dizzy just say something useful?...

[Carnerox]

Why do people always do that dumb shit in forums.

"Did 'insert username' type something useful?"
It's pretty annoying, and completely offtopic.

[burn]

This is the dumbest shit ever, you lose more lumber by making 10 walls then making 5 alternate lumber bases ready to go.
Your strategy is completely useless, its just way better to make one with one or two walls, then make a second one with the walls and shelters also ready to go if the other gets killed.

@Sickle: lol.

@muddy_panda: I thought smy made it pretty clear, but here goes, i don't think you guys find the concept that gold > lumber. 5g = 700 lumber, that's all i'm going to say.