Balance Morph

[sickle]

scrap morph replace it with a working concept

The idea of a morphing unit is great.  execution is eh

it has too many random ideas, it's like I am the Walrus.  it's just too much random shit.

Give him normal workers, make his towers have a fuse the worker has to relight manually (adds a micro dynamic to it without making it too stupid) and adjust all his forms.

[SandStormer]

Morph beast is a trade off, you lose shockwave and your slow slam. Not sure about this but I think you also lose that evasion, crit and bash.

Beast instead gets a slow orb(Think it's a orb), lifesteal aura for yourself, Movement roar, and a slowing nuke. You also lose the ability to build a lot more then before.(You used to can't make anything but walls were added into this)

Magnataur keeps everything good from before and just gets magic immunity extra life and damage. He can still lumber

Tauren gets two extra skills including his old ones, which are stun slam and tauren guards. He also can't build anything except walls and shelters. He can still lumber

Morph beast just becomes another titan hunter with this, he gets nuked for a bit and has to back off, cause instead of just feeding 15 gold he gives a minion.

I prefer warrior to Morphpony anyways

A waller with a permanent +1000-ish health can be a pretty powerful support. Sure you can nuke him down, but by the time you get him to a lower health pool, you're too low on mana. (unless of course the titan has 5-6 minions, but in this situation the titan was most likely fed them.)

Now in a open area fight, or maybe at the mound, yes, I can see how the morphling beast is completely balanced in the respect that he loses some abilities. But you have to consider all situations when balancing something. Especially common situations. Perhaps removing the regen isn't the only solution to this problem, but something does need to be done.

Cut off lumber supply, force him to make harvesters and bam free feed. Magic coral and you can nuke for as long as you want with pretty much full mana.

In a base he is even more useless, he goes out to poke then gets nuked backed into a corner or ward blocked into 3-6 hits. Hard to rewall when you have no lumber 

morph gets lumber fast, i find i have about 20k before someone needs help for me to rewall them ect.. 20k + a few seeds = alot of grinding for the titan.

[sburnett21]

Regen on beast form makes best form perm. You also failed to mention beast gains more spells (which are imo better)

This was exactly the whole point in what I said. Those other builders are balanced because that incredibly powerful form doesn't last forever (even if they last a little too long in my opinion).

A tauren's ancestral rage is fairly similar to beast form, but has a duration. I was making a point by saying "what if ancestral rage lasted forever?".

#1-ancestrial rage lasted forever in 3.0.6b(fun version)

#2 just give the beast form a 3 minute cd after you switch into it, and give warrior form a bonus 15 dmage. it is a warrior after all.

#3 The whole wall-run thing for the beast, just take out shelters and real walls and put in dung piles or dirt mounds that take 1 second to finish, unupgradeable. everybody gains and loses.

theres no regen in 3.0.6e, leave it that way. its a beast, not a priest.

[SandStormer]

Regen on beast form makes best form perm. You also failed to mention beast gains more spells (which are imo better)

This was exactly the whole point in what I said. Those other builders are balanced because that incredibly powerful form doesn't last forever (even if they last a little too long in my opinion).

A tauren's ancestral rage is fairly similar to beast form, but has a duration. I was making a point by saying "what if ancestral rage lasted forever?".

#1-ancestrial rage lasted forever in 3.0.6b(fun version)

#2 just give the beast form a 3 minute cd after you switch into it, and give warrior form a bonus 15 dmage. it is a warrior after all.

#3 The whole wall-run thing for the beast, just take out shelters and real walls and put in dung piles or dirt mounds that take 1 second to finish, unupgradeable. everybody gains and loses.

theres no regen in 3.0.6e, leave it that way. its a beast, not a priest.

#1 3.0.6b was stupid cause i didnt like it cause it was stupid cause it was shit and stupid at the same time, while not knowing it.

#2 that is just stupid, just stay in beast for aslong as u want, and if u stay in over 180sec you hav an insta switch from warrior to beast (provided you have the mana)

#3 i hope that is sarcasm

[ArtFuL]

Regen on beast form makes best form perm. You also failed to mention beast gains more spells (which are imo better)

This was exactly the whole point in what I said. Those other builders are balanced because that incredibly powerful form doesn't last forever (even if they last a little too long in my opinion).

A tauren's ancestral rage is fairly similar to beast form, but has a duration. I was making a point by saying "what if ancestral rage lasted forever?".

#3 The whole wall-run thing for the beast, just take out shelters and real walls and put in dung piles or dirt mounds that take 1 second to finish, unupgradeable. everybody gains and loses.

#3 i hope that is sarcasm

.. I hope that too

[Critikill]

Regen on beast form makes best form perm. You also failed to mention beast gains more spells (which are imo better)

This was exactly the whole point in what I said. Those other builders are balanced because that incredibly powerful form doesn't last forever (even if they last a little too long in my opinion).

A tauren's ancestral rage is fairly similar to beast form, but has a duration. I was making a point by saying "what if ancestral rage lasted forever?".

#1-ancestrial rage lasted forever in 3.0.6b(fun version)

#2 just give the beast form a 3 minute cd after you switch into it, and give warrior form a bonus 15 dmage. it is a warrior after all.

#3 The whole wall-run thing for the beast, just take out shelters and real walls and put in dung piles or dirt mounds that take 1 second to finish, unupgradeable. everybody gains and loses.

theres no regen in 3.0.6e, leave it that way. its a beast, not a priest.

15 damage is a joke.

[Jux.Mage]

Tauren's pretty much a tank, you know..
Not really a joke, because it has chaos damage too.