Balance Morph

[SandStormer]

beast form. need i say more

really, straight to the point.. an upgrade that gives regen in beast form... cmon..

i was a morph 1950hp... 26fort armor.. (all hp + tome + 3 bones), not to mention the damage.

titan had NO chance of getting me on that hp that has a good regen.

the regen really needs to be taken out.

[Aflacduck]

What version is this? This makes me sad.

[SandStormer]

3.0.8d (neco's version)

[Neco]

4 health per second is too much? Pretty retarded considering that's the health regeneration rate of all builders. That's right, even gnoll has 4hps as soon as it spawns.

Come back with a better argument please.

[VAMPSI]

beast form. need i say more

really, straight to the point.. an upgrade that gives regen in beast form... cmon..

i was a morph 1950hp... 26fort armor.. (all hp + tome + 3 bones), not to mention the damage.

titan had NO chance of getting me on that hp that has a good regen.

the regen really needs to be taken out.

played vs a pro I guess?

[Gwypaas]

4 health per second is too much? Pretty retarded considering that's the health regeneration rate of all builders. That's right, even gnoll has 4hps as soon as it spawns.

Come back with a better argument please.

In 3.0.6e morph has 0 or 1 hp/s and a upgrade that adds vampiric aura as far as I know and he's still hard as fuck to kill, even with that limiting the time he can spend in beast form.

[SandStormer]

4 health per second is too much? Pretty retarded considering that's the health regeneration rate of all builders. That's right, even gnoll has 4hps as soon as it spawns.

Come back with a better argument please.

you dont ever see a gnoll with 1950hp and 26 fort armor and 220ish chaos damage with vampiric aura with a fast movespeed and a speed increase with a slow on the attack and a spell that attacks, whilst also slowing the titan, do you.

beast form. need i say more

really, straight to the point.. an upgrade that gives regen in beast form... cmon..

i was a morph 1950hp... 26fort armor.. (all hp + tome + 3 bones), not to mention the damage.

titan had NO chance of getting me on that hp that has a good regen.

the regen really needs to be taken out.

he was decent, good micro ect. just a few errors on his part

4 health per second is too much? Pretty retarded considering that's the health regeneration rate of all builders. That's right, even gnoll has 4hps as soon as it spawns.

Come back with a better argument please.

In 3.0.6e morph has 0 or 1 hp/s and a upgrade that adds vampiric aura as far as I know and he's still hard as fuck to kill, even with that limiting the time he can spend in beast form.

its 0 i believe.

[Playerof]

Hello sand i haven't seen you in a while.

[SandStormer]

hiya, took a break played som wow and minecraft.

[Coaster_Man]

Titan's fault for letting you get that strong.  That's like 300 gold worth of upgrading. Although I sort of agree with you, seeing how I didn't die to a 700 dmg titan.

[PoNy]

I think your bigger concern is the slow orb, and Movement speed roar.

[Jux.Mage]

A regular HP regeneration + Life Steal + HP Buffs + Loads of Armor...
I'm pretty sure it's plenty with spells too.

[SandStormer]

its 45g if you want beast form (arc 20 ::: Research 25)

100g gets you

• arc
• all the warrior form abilitys
• beastform(with the fast movespeed, the attack the slows, and the vampiric aura)
• 16 fortified armor(in warrior and beast form)
• beast's regen
• 1450 hp

[PoNy]

its 45g if you want beast form (arc 20 ::: Research 25)

100g gets you

• beastform(with the fast movespeed, and the attack the slows)
• 16 fortified armor
• beast's regen
• 1450 hp

4 hp regen won't make much of a difference when your being hit for 200+ nukes, what is concerning is the life steal, slow, nuke, and roar which all adds to being able to slow then speed away while taking a lot of reduced damage.

[SandStormer]

4 hp regen won't make much of a difference when your being hit for 200+ nukes, what is concerning is the life steal, slow, nuke, and roar which all adds to being able to slow then speed away while taking a lot of reduced damage.

yes, but how many minions does it take to nuke 1450.
and you are talking that all the minions are level 5(i think)with a level 3 nuke.

also. 8 minions nukeing for 200 would kill a 1450hp morph.

i remember the thing that limited this form was no regen, you had to change back (being more vulnerable to nukes, and also loseing movespeed).

ps. i wasnt done editing my post before you quoted :/

[Neco]

We did a vote on this site (if someone can be bothered to find it) it the majority voted for a research to give beast-form regen.

I was against it, but community > editor...

You can always schedule a revote for removing it if you want.

[turbo]

I keep forgetting Neco has his own forum...

[SandStormer]

We did a vote on this site (if someone can be bothered to find it) it the majority voted for a research to give beast-form regen.

I was against it, but community > editor...

You can always schedule a revote for removing it if you want.

thats ridiculous, the majority of island defense players do not play titan. and if they do play titan, they mostly play it once a month. hence, they will be biased.

[Neco]

I don't play titan due to the fact I has massive lag because my internet sucks, so I have to account for the majority of the publics opinion for 'how to play titan'.

Although in this case, I don't really see the problem... a magnataur with Polar Wrath seems impossible to kill as well, and yet no one complains about it?

[SandStormer]

I don't play titan due to the fact I has massive lag because my internet sucks, so I have to account for the majority of the publics opinion for 'how to play titan'.

Although in this case, I don't really see the problem... a magnataur with Polar Wrath seems impossible to kill as well, and yet no one complains about it?

id complain if his polar wrath was permanant. by adding beast regen, you have made beast perma.

[Zen1400]

Morph needs the regen. Otherwise its the shittiest 'final upgrade' for a builder there is. Before hand you couldn't leech enough to live against anyone smart enough to nuke you a couple of times since you couldn't LEECH ENOUGH.

Second of all, WTF are you bitching about when you have "1950hp... 26fort armor.. (all hp + tome + 3 bones), not to mention the damage"

Lets loot at this real quick. 1950 - 1450 = 500 bonus hp, 26 - 16 = 10 bonus armor, and assuming your damage guess was right 220 - 160 = 60 bonus damage. The titan also lost 3+ minions, which means he really wasn't good.

Let's sum this up again.
You had 500 bonus hp, 10 bonus armor, 60 bonus damage, 3+ minion kills, and a titan who you say is competent when you easily achieved over 100+ gold from mound alone.

In NO way is this a good show of how beast is imba right now.

Beast form is a flat out joke if he doesn't have regen a titan can nuke and hit you every time you try to defend and you will never be able to do anything outside of running out and placing a wall, and then being forced to change to warrior, which has the exact same problem, except with nukes alone. If warrior doesn't get the any bonus regen, then he needs it.

[SandStormer]

Morph needs the regen. Otherwise its the shittiest 'final upgrade' for a builder there is. Before hand you couldn't leech enough to live against anyone smart enough to nuke you a couple of times since you couldn't LEECH ENOUGH.

Second of all, WTF are you bitching about when you have "1950hp... 26fort armor.. (all hp + tome + 3 bones), not to mention the damage"

Lets loot at this real quick. 1950 - 1450 = 500 bonus hp, 26 - 16 = 10 bonus armor, and assuming your damage guess was right 220 - 160 = 60 bonus damage. The titan also lost 3+ minions, which means he really wasn't good.

Let's sum this up again.
You had 500 bonus hp, 10 bonus armor, 60 bonus damage, 3+ minion kills, and a titan who you say is competent when you easily achieved over 100+ gold from mound alone.

In NO way is this a good show of how beast is imba right now.

Beast form is a flat out joke if he doesn't have regen a titan can nuke and hit you every time you try to defend and you will never be able to do anything outside of running out and placing a wall, and then being forced to change to warrior, which has the exact same problem, except with nukes alone. If warrior doesn't get the any bonus regen, then he needs it.

i agree with you to an extent... maybe the regen rate should be reduced. due to the large amount of health / fort armor ect..

im not bitching, im suggesting that beast form is currently op, also, id rather have a fair/challengeing game.. this is why i brought it up...ect.

[kyleep]

Poll added.

[GunTroll]

i would just remove the abillity to make walls

[SandStormer]

i would just remove the abillity to make walls

imo, that would nerf the beast form to much, as you cannot wall-run anymore.