Island Defense - Revisited

[Wall.Up]

With the help of an old friend I've edited the ID map.  My question is to Darox, after looking at this map would you approve it to be posted here?

Here are a list of modifications.

Titan Modifications
For every leaver titan gains 10% additional XP
DXP now increases exp by 100% (Not Double But if XP is being gained at a rate of 120%, DXP will make it 220%)
Leavers now have a short lag between when they leave and when their items are removed.  This is to discourage ppl that leave when they are about to lose a base or die.

Builder Modifications
Gnoll has been reworked.  Towers poison now only do Attack Speed reduction and movement speed reduction.  Normal and Enhanced towers have no poison ability.  Expert Hunter now has True Sight.  Gnoll can build a modified Sludge Tower for 10 gps and 1000 lumber.  The range and poison effect of this tower has been reduced.

Satyr -  Has been Removed from this version.  Plans to re-introduce him later
Orge -  Has been Removed from this version.

Recurring Gold Penalty after the initial penalty to occur every 10 minutes.  Right now it's 20 gps every 10 minutes.

General Modification

Slight Map Modifications made to lumber bases and some defense bases.

[Kyon~]

Can you include some screenshots?

[Rczapla67]

Bad builder modifications. True sight OP and trying to have 10g "mini super towers" is pretty retarded, ESP on gnoll.
Your titan mods, are already being fixed in another way thanks to quake in .6.
Just expect this to be you and your friends' chilling map though.

Thank you for asking though, and actually completing a modified version.
I'm sure krazy is in tears now!

[Wall.Up]

Bad builder modifications. True sight OP and trying to have 10g "mini super towers" is pretty retarded, ESP on gnoll.

Gnoll went through a nerf.  None of his towers have a DOT poison now. The Super & Mega have a AS & MS Poison only.  The Sludge towers do slightly more DPS than the mega but have a shorter range.

Your titan mods, are already being fixed in another way thanks to quake in .6.
Just expect this to be you and your friends' chilling map though.

Why would I expect this to be a chillin map?  I've heard about .6 for many months.  I am ready to move forward with a balanced map. 

[Rczapla67]

I haven't seen any of your work, and you're new.
It won't be official, hence my previous statement.

Post it and let's see.

[Striker]

Bad builder modifications. True sight OP and trying to have 10g "mini super towers" is pretty retarded, ESP on gnoll.

Gnoll went through a nerf.  None of his towers have a DOT poison now. The Super & Mega have a AS & MS Poison only.  The Sludge towers do slightly more DPS than the mega but have a shorter range.

Your titan mods, are already being fixed in another way thanks to quake in .6.
Just expect this to be you and your friends' chilling map though.

Why would I expect this to be a chillin map?  I've heard about .6 for many months.  I am ready to move forward with a balanced map. 

Why the hell would gnoll need a nerf. It's one of the weakest bases pre gold penalty without gold imo, and you need a shit load of lumber to max out your base. Taken out ogre isn't needed.

Reoccuring gold penalty make's it so you can't get your arc and merch 30 minutes in if you havn't golded. It's only useful in pubs or if you're a gold race.

[Wall.Up]

I haven't seen any of your work, and you're new.
It won't be official, hence my previous statement.

Post it and let's see.

Your comment are contradictory.

One just because I don't post on the forums doesn't mean I'm new
Two just because you haven't see the changes doesn't mean they are bad.

 

[Wall.Up]

Why the hell would gnoll need a nerf. It's one of the weakest bases pre gold penalty without gold imo, and you need a shit load of lumber to max out your base. Taken out ogre isn't needed.

I am going to take it that you've never been gnoll.

Reoccuring gold penalty make's it so you can't get your arc and merch 30 minutes in if you havn't golded. It's only useful in pubs or if you're a gold race.

I don't think that makes any sense.  Who can't get merchant & arc with 90 gold?

[Ryld]

Rczapla's post wasn't contradictory.  He just didn't know you weren't new, which isn't contradictory at all.  And Striker's right gnoll doesn't need a nerf, I consider it to be feed in basically every pub I play in. 

[Murs]

i think gnoll is the second best builder race after troll.

[relaets]

I haven't seen any of your work, and you're new.
It won't be official, hence my previous statement.

Post it and let's see.

Your comment are contradictory.

One just because I don't post on the forums doesn't mean I'm new
Two just because you haven't see the changes doesn't mean they are bad.

 

contradictory - a proposition so related to another that if either of the two is true the other is false and if either is false the other must be true


your statements have nothing to do with proving how rcz's words were contraditory.

next: rcz has never heard of you and i doubt anybody else have in the ways of map making... so you are infact new

next: just because we haven't seen the changes doesn't mean they're good.... why do you think he wants to see the map?

lol i took so many breaks 3 new message happened before i hit post

[Murs]

ive heard of the great wall.up.

[Wall.Up]

It won't be official...

Post it and let's see.

Those statements are contradictory.  

What is official anyways?  This website took what 5 minutes to setup?

[Murs]

go read ur PMs.

[relaets]

It won't be official...

Post it and let's see.

Those statements are contradictory.  

What is official anyways?  This website took what 5 minutes to setup?

i'm asuming murs sent something like this in his pms, but i'll post anyways

offical means it is the true island defense map. (see where it says latest offical ver: 2.8.5c)
that is the offical Island Defense map.

so saying something isn't offical

and post it and lets see
is not infact contradictary
the post it and lets see had nothing to do with it be offical.
he wants you to post your map on this site so he can see the map.

so many bloody red lines... i'm starting to hate firefox

[adam7979]

Titan Modifications
For every leaver titan gains 10% additional XP sounds sweet at first sight, but what if titan's high level? that would increase the addition of exp drastically....
DXP now increases exp by 100% (Not Double But if XP is being gained at a rate of 120%, DXP will make it 220%) sweet
Leavers now have a short lag between when they leave and when their items are removed.  This is to discourage ppl that leave when they are about to lose a base or die.further elaborate on that? you mean their buildings/items stay in game for like 1 minute before they disappeared? and the towers stopped attacking as well? does other player (shared/not shared control) get the chance to self attack / deny them ?

Builder Modifications
Gnoll has been reworked.  Towers poison now only do Attack Speed reduction and movement speed reduction.  Normal and Enhanced towers have no poison ability.  Expert Hunter now has True Sight. that would greatly crippled one of titan's greatest escape capability, including meld, not to mention fog gen's a piece of rubbish now... and demonicus' ulti is history from that point onwards. you might want to think that again.  Gnoll can build a modified Sludge Tower for 10 gps and 1000 lumber.  The range and poison effect of this tower has been reduced.

Satyr -  Has been Removed from this version.  Plans to re-introduce him later
Orge -  Has been Removed from this version.

Recurring Gold Penalty after the initial penalty to occur every 10 minutes.  Right now it's 20 gps every 10 minutes. yeah... to facilitate titan hunter's true sight upgrade. gg titan

General Modification

Slight Map Modifications made to lumber bases and some defense bases.

recuring gold penalty, true sight upgrade, good move to overcome attrition game but you might want to think twice....

[Wall.Up]

offical means it is the true island defense map. (see where it says latest offical ver: 2.8.5c)
that is the offical Island Defense map.

So I need to buy a domain and throw together a website like this in 5 minute to make my map official?

[Zen1400]

You also wouldn't have based it off of someone elses map, and then claim credit. You would also have to name it something else besides island defense to be an offical version of your game.

[Wall.Up]

You also wouldn't have based it off of someone elses map, and then claim credit. You would also have to name it something else besides island defense to be an offical version of your game.

This is getting off track.  If look at the original post you will see that question was to Darox.  So please only Darox.

[Zen1400]

So I need to buy a domain and throw together a website like this in 5 minute to make my map official?

Thats a question, I answered.

[relaets]

offical means it is the true island defense map. (see where it says latest offical ver: 2.8.5c)
that is the offical Island Defense map.

So I need to buy a domain and throw together a website like this in 5 minute to make my map official?

therortically yes (you don't need a domain name to make a map offical....)

that does not mean it is the offical Island Defense map thou.......
it would be the offical map of your spin-off.......

[Rczapla67]

Wow guys, take it easy!

I'm saying your map isn't official, and it won't be. Darox and Rcxquake are current editors, they edit the official map.
Don't expect to rip off a map, modify it, and act like you're taking over.

Don't end up like Russian, man!

[Darox]

Titan Modifications
For every leaver titan gains 10% additional XP [Something I would like to do]
DXP now increases exp by 100% (Not Double But if XP is being gained at a rate of 120%, DXP will make it 220%) [I prefer the straight 2x bonus]
Leavers now have a short lag between when they leave and when their items are removed.  This is to discourage ppl that leave when they are about to lose a base or die. [Already exists in 2.8.6 beta]

Builder Modifications
Gnoll has been reworked.  Towers poison now only do Attack Speed reduction and movement speed reduction.  Normal and Enhanced towers have no poison ability.  Expert Hunter now has True Sight.  Gnoll can build a modified Sludge Tower for 10 gps and 1000 lumber.  The range and poison effect of this tower has been reduced. [Don't really like this]

Satyr -  Has been Removed from this version.  Plans to re-introduce him later [Ehh]
Orge -  Has been Removed from this version. [Bad]

Recurring Gold Penalty after the initial penalty to occur every 10 minutes.  Right now it's 20 gps every 10 minutes. [20 gold per second every ten minutes? What? Also, this is already a planned change to 2.8.6]

General Modification

Slight Map Modifications made to lumber bases and some defense bases. [I haven't seen what you have changed, but map modifications have been made in 2.8.6 to certain bases]

[Wall.Up]

DXP now increases exp by 100% (Not Double But if XP is being gained at a rate of 120%, DXP will make it 220%) [I prefer the straight 2x bonus

Well currently DXP only add 100% to what is already set at 100%.  If you were getting 150% and doubled it to 300% XP that would be a heck of alot of XP.

Already exists in 2.8.6 beta

If there is a beta out there why not make it a public beta?  I'm tired of playing the super unbalanced version known as 2.8.5c. I've asked you in PM when to expect it without a response.  Please let us know when to expect it.  I'd rather not splinter a community that is why I came here first.

[Darox]

Look in the 2.8.6 topic somewhere around where I linked a beta version, but it has some bugs and isn't exactly balanced. Its certainly different though.

Also, I don't know when 2.8.6 will come out. I don't have a computer that runs WC at the moment.