(incomplete) A List of What NOT to do in Island Defense

[iseedeadpeople]

I've noticed that people had their tables turned against them because something happened badly for them, like seeds being destroyed, and a fully grown base being demolished instantly by certain titans, or because they did something stupid. This is a list of what NOT TO DO in Island Defense. Thanks, and I hope this guide will reduce the risk of wrong moves. Also, I would appreciate suggestions. I will consider this list complete once i have 25 things!

1.DO NOT build a base on the northwest area when the titan is Moltenious or Voltron. There is a hole that you can't build on, and ultimately it gives the titan a wide-open opportunity to get massive feed
2.DO NOT seed when the titan is Demonicus. That titan can destroy your workers with an indierect nuke, and one of his abilities, Mark of Darkness, will kill a worker and turn it into a Spanwn of Darkness, which will multiply with each worker death. It can also attack buildings.
3.DO NOT CAMP AS TITAN! Sure, it will eventually get you a minion, but at what cost? A whole lot of time for the builders to base and lack of levels and gold.
4.DO NOT just stand there when a miniminion attacks your seed. If you are an arachnid, panda, demonologist, or puppeteer, use your champion workers to fight back.
5.(more to come)

[Jux.Mage]

5. Do not run in the middle when you are Satyr. There'll be chance which Titan might end up even buying Pearl and use it at the middle.
6. Never use -ar unless everyone in-game are present.
7. Do not use titan hunter as your main 'wall', it feeds more gold than a regular wall does while dying faster.
8. Never summon your puppet out in the open as Puppeteer.
9. Never base when you do not have enough wood to upgrade every towers and walls.
10. Never create a lumber base near the middle early game.

[Coaster_Man]

11) NEVER lumber base at the bottom right base (square), top right, or far mid right against sypherious or bubo or demo, THE TITAN WILL EAT ALMOST ALL YOUR WORKERS IN ONE NUKE.
12) Never rely on wind walk to save you, unless you are troll or are using it when the titan's pearl is in cooldown.
13) Never wait until the last second to use your escape when the titan is catching up to you at mid, I've seen too many people die as they try to teleport with 50 hp left...
14) Never go AFK in the open, or if you have a lumber base; unless you gave control.
15) As foss, do not (if you even can) kill everyone early game.  One minion is enough to guard the mound, and you will want that feed + a level 7 mini at gp.

[iseedeadpeople]

wow guys, thanks. i appreciate your help ^^
uh,
16.DO NOT leave your lumber base buildings on full hp. When titan strikes your lumby base, you'd want to be quick as hell to deny it. What I would do is leave a research center, 2 food sources, some shelters, and some workers in the lumber base with all buildings damaged to the most w/o dying. WARNING: Draneis cannot do this, as their shelters are food sources. I'd keep my hunter construct there to deny it.

[Coaster_Man]

wow guys, thanks. i appreciate your help ^^
uh,
16.DO NOT leave your lumber base buildings on full hp. When titan strikes your lumby base, you'd want to be quick as hell to deny it. What I would do is leave a research center, 2 food sources, some shelters, and some workers in the lumber base with all buildings damaged to the most w/o dying. WARNING: Draneis cannot do this, as their shelters are food sources. I'd keep my hunter construct there to deny it.

panda can't either, unless he uses champs

[SgtWaffles]

how about this:

17: DO NOT choose to titan and then rage / leave after 5 mins, ruining the game for everyone.

18: DO NOT accidentally fail at the mound and die, and use a lame ass excuse like ZOMG NOOB TIT I WAS TYPING QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ. Take it like a man and toughen up, stop being a noob.

[theorchero]

how about this:

17: DO NOT choose to titan and then rage / leave after 5 mins, ruining the game for everyone.

18: DO NOT accidentally fail at the mound and die, and use a lame ass excuse like ZOMG NOOB TIT I WAS TYPING QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ. Take it like a man and toughen up, stop being a noob.

lol but carn was typing.. =p

[RuNm]

19+: Follow this guide: http://www.islanddefense.org/forum/index.php/board,7.0.html It meant for being a good ID player

[iseedeadpeople]

how about this:

17: DO NOT choose to titan and then rage / leave after 5 mins, ruining the game for everyone.

18: DO NOT accidentally fail at the mound and die, and use a lame ass excuse like ZOMG NOOB TIT I WAS TYPING QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ. Take it like a man and toughen up, stop being a noob.

Uh, what I want is gameplay DON'TS, as in not doing stupid moves that will kill you. making excuses and leaving as titan aren't necessarily related to gameplay. :/ WAFFLES!!!
Also, thanks, RuNm, but i can only find what TO DO in ID. I'm looking for what NOT TO DO in ID.

[iseedeadpeople]

17.DO NOT try commiting suicide when Titan breaks through your base. It may seems like a good idea, but if the titan is smart, he won't attack you untiil your whole base is demolished. No, What you should do is run as fast as you can with your head start and run to the next base. You may not be able to make a legit base, but you will be able to support your teammate.

[RuNm]

Ok point then
18. Make absolute sure that when WW out of a seed grant just chased you into, that his sentry stone is nonexistent.

[Aflacduck]

2.DO NOT seed when the titan is Demonicus. That titan can destroy your workers with an indierect nuke, and one of his abilities, Mark of Darkness, will kill a worker and turn it into a Spanwn of Darkness, which will multiply with each worker death. It can also attack buildings.
Never seed ever.
3.DO NOT CAMP AS TITAN! Sure, it will eventually get you a minion, but at what cost? A whole lot of time for the builders to base and lack of levels and gold.
Camping as titan is fine if you aren't stupid.
4.DO NOT just stand there when a miniminion attacks your seed. If you are an arachnid, panda, demonologist, or puppeteer, use your champion workers to fight back.
Depends, your workers might get nuked if there are minions nearby.
6. Never use -ar unless everyone in-game are present.
As long as red made everyone aware about it beforehand, AR is fine.
7. Do not use titan hunter as your main 'wall', it feeds more gold than a regular wall does while dying faster.
It dies slower, and deals heavy damage. Only use it as Draenei or Nature though.
8. Never summon your puppet out in the open as Puppeteer.
Never play puppeteer.
9. Never base when you do not have enough wood to upgrade every towers and walls.
Disagree / Situational. I base at usually 12k lumber for cookie-cutter builds, but it is fine to base early if the titan is having a bad game and obsessed with killing builders.
10. Never create a lumber base near the middle early game.
Situational. If you can destroy it fast, then it doesn't matter as long as it is unnukable.
17.DO NOT try commiting suicide when Titan breaks through your base. It may seems like a good idea, but if the titan is smart, he won't attack you untiil your whole base is demolished. No, What you should do is run as fast as you can with your head start and run to the next base. You may not be able to make a legit base, but you will be able to support your teammate.
Disagreed for pub games. Most pub builders are a burden on teammates if they are basers, unless they have the ability to support. It is worth trying to suicide, but also killing your towers at the same time. Once your base is about 1/2 dead, run away.

[turbo]

19. DO NOT Gold if you don't know where the titan is or if he has ww.

[SgtWaffles]

19. DO NOT Gold if you don't know where the titan is or if he has ww.

agreed.

also on the topic of trying to deny / stop titan from feeding, if you block your base properly, (a few can do this) eg stand in middle of the lane, and hold pos, tit cant get passed and has to kill.

[Multiaccer]

19. DO NOT Gold if you don't know where the titan is or if he has ww.

Dissagree, if I know where he is let's say top left, and has ww why shouldn't I go gold?

[RuNm]

Multi, you ARE a linguistic bastard, you know he means to knowing whether or not the titan has his WW on or not 

[iseedeadpeople]

Alright, let's recap the DO NOT list.
1. DO NOT build a base on the northwest area when the titan is Moltenious or Voltron. There is a hole that you can't build on, and ultimately it gives the titan a wide-open opportunity to get massive feed!
2. DO NOT seed when the titan is Demonicus. That titan can destroy your workers with an indierect nuke, and one of his abilities, Mark of Darkness, will kill a worker and turn it into a Spanwn of Darkness, which will multiply with each worker death. It can also attack buildings.
3. DO NOT CAMP AS TITAN! Sure, it will eventually get you a minion, but at what cost? A whole lot of time for the builders to base and lack of levels and gold.
4. DO NOT just stand there when a miniminion attacks your seed. If you are an arachnid, panda, demonologist, or puppeteer, use your champion workers to fight back.
5. DO NOT run in the middle when you are Satyr. There'll be chance which Titan might end up even buying Pearl and use it at the middle.
6. DO NOT use -ar unless everyone in-game are present.
7. DO NOT use titan hunter as your main 'wall', it feeds more gold than a regular wall does while dying faster.
8. DO NOT summon your puppet out in the open as Puppeteer.
9. DO NOT base when you do not have enough wood to upgrade every towers and walls.
10. DO NOT create a lumber base near the middle early game.
11. DO NOT lumber base at the bottom right base (square), top right, or far mid right against sypherious or bubo or demo, THE TITAN WILL EAT ALMOST ALL YOUR WORKERS IN ONE NUKE.
12. DO NOT rely on wind walk to save you, unless you are troll or are using it when the titan's wind walk is in cooldown.
13. DO NOT wait until the last second to use your escape when the titan is catching up to you at mid, I've seen too many people die as they try to teleport with 50 hp left...
14. DO NOT go AFK in the open, or if you have a lumber base; unless you gave control.
15. As foss, DO NOT (if you even can) kill everyone early game.  One minion is enough to guard the mound, and you will want that feed + a level 7 mini at gp.
16. DO NOT leave your lumber base buildings on full hp. When titan strikes your lumby base, you'd want to be quick as hell to deny it. What I would do is leave a research center, 2 food sources, some shelters, and some workers in the lumber base with all buildings damaged to the most w/o dying. WARNING: Draneis cannot do this, as their shelters are food sources. I'd keep my hunter construct there to deny it. Pandas and puppets can't either, unless he uses champs or puppets.
17. DO NOT try commiting suicide when Titan breaks through your base. It may seems like a good idea, but if the titan is smart, he won't attack you until your whole base is demolished. No, What you should do is run as fast as you can with your head start and run to the next base. You may not be able to make a legit base, but you will be able to support your teammate, IF you're also a support builder. If not, then gg for you.
18. DO NOT be careless when you WW out of a seed Granitacles just chased you into. Make sure that his sentry stone is nonexistent.
19. DO NOT Gold if you don't know where the titan is or if he has wind walk.
20. DO NOT be a faggot and kill other people's shelters in seeds just because they got it first, even if you claimed it first. If they have it, they have it. Killing seeds will just make things more complicated and worse. I mean, come on, the builders are supposed to be a team!

To Aflacduck: Don't seed at all and never play puppet? Dude, you've gotta be a noob if you think that. Seeding is a major upside for builders, as titans can't see the harvesters in progress. Even if they could, they'd be wasting their mana on nukes because they cannot reach out for regular attacks. As for puppet, that bitch is a legit fighter if you know how to play. I have a replay of me and another puppet with a demon ganging up on the titan and minion. Just watch the attachment I have.

[carnerox]

how about this:

17: DO NOT choose to titan and then rage / leave after 5 mins, ruining the game for everyone.

18: DO NOT accidentally fail at the mound and die, and use a lame ass excuse like ZOMG NOOB TIT I WAS TYPING QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ. Take it like a man and toughen up, stop being a noob.

lol but carn was typing.. =p

What..?

[Coaster_Man]

Seeding = 3 to 5 workers that the titan can EASILY nuke for exp, and there is no way you are detting in time, unless he stands there in view for like 10 seconds.  You should always go to a place that cannot be nuked from outside the walls, and you should always have a full deny ready.  Give yourself time to det/deny... don't just make one unupgraded wall...
Puppet is bad... unless you can trap the mini, then its good for damage.  But a good titan won't let his mini be trapped and he won't let it be killed by plain units with no wall blocking.

[SgtWaffles]

Seeding = 3 to 5 workers that the titan can EASILY nuke for exp, and there is no way you are detting in time, unless he stands there in view for like 10 seconds.  You should always go to a place that cannot be nuked from outside the walls, and you should always have a full deny ready.  Give yourself time to det/deny... don't just make one unupgraded wall...
Puppet is bad... unless you can trap the mini, then its good for damage.  But a good titan won't let his mini be trapped and he won't let it be killed by plain units with no wall blocking.

vouch for both of these. very true comments.

seeding in a non pub game as a normal baser just isnt smart.

[iseedeadpeople]

Seeding = 3 to 5 workers that the titan can EASILY nuke for exp, and there is no way you are detting in time, unless he stands there in view for like 10 seconds.  You should always go to a place that cannot be nuked from outside the walls, and you should always have a full deny ready.  Give yourself time to det/deny... don't just make one unupgraded wall...
Puppet is bad... unless you can trap the mini, then its good for damage.  But a good titan won't let his mini be trapped and he won't let it be killed by plain units with no wall blocking.

vouch for both of these. very true comments.

seeding in a non pub game as a normal baser just isnt smart.

did you even see the replay? O.o

[Playerof]

Don't wall jump till your sure you got it (sorry discity : ( )

[theorchero]

2.DO NOT seed when the titan is Demonicus. That titan can destroy your workers with an indierect nuke, and one of his abilities, Mark of Darkness, will kill a worker and turn it into a Spanwn of Darkness, which will multiply with each worker death. It can also attack buildings.
Never seed ever.
3.DO NOT CAMP AS TITAN! Sure, it will eventually get you a minion, but at what cost? A whole lot of time for the builders to base and lack of levels and gold.
Camping as titan is fine if you aren't stupid.
4.DO NOT just stand there when a miniminion attacks your seed. If you are an arachnid, panda, demonologist, or puppeteer, use your champion workers to fight back.
Depends, your workers might get nuked if there are minions nearby.
6. Never use -ar unless everyone in-game are present.
As long as red made everyone aware about it beforehand, AR is fine.
7. Do not use titan hunter as your main 'wall', it feeds more gold than a regular wall does while dying faster.
It dies slower, and deals heavy damage. Only use it as Draenei or Nature though.
8. Never summon your puppet out in the open as Puppeteer.
Never play puppeteer.
9. Never base when you do not have enough wood to upgrade every towers and walls.
Disagree / Situational. I base at usually 12k lumber for cookie-cutter builds, but it is fine to base early if the titan is having a bad game and obsessed with killing builders.
10. Never create a lumber base near the middle early game.
Situational. If you can destroy it fast, then it doesn't matter as long as it is unnukable.
17.DO NOT try commiting suicide when Titan breaks through your base. It may seems like a good idea, but if the titan is smart, he won't attack you untiil your whole base is demolished. No, What you should do is run as fast as you can with your head start and run to the next base. You may not be able to make a legit base, but you will be able to support your teammate.
Disagreed for pub games. Most pub builders are a burden on teammates if they are basers, unless they have the ability to support. It is worth trying to suicide, but also killing your towers at the same time. Once your base is about 1/2 dead, run away.

agreed, but you forgot about maks hunter being a wall =P

I usually put my hunter 3 or 4th wall in where it "forks" (the option to attack the side walls becomes available), it encourages them to go deeper in, taking more damage.

Never ever ever ever have a hunter-as-a-wall or a hunter-as-a-tower with Luci, and debatable with syph and molt because chain nukes are such a bitch, you're liable to be chain nuked off the hunter if they have more than 10 IQ, I can't count the amount of builders I've killed because chain nuking off a hunter. . .

[Playerof]

''i agree''
and never try to FT in a pub they'll think your feeding even if your about to kill the titan

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

Do not stop using your brain, itll probably get you killed.