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« on: September 23, 2010, 01:02:32 PM »

The Arachnathid Builder

History and basic info
Like anyone will a damn anyway;

The Arachnathid are a race that originally slept underground beneath the surface of the island. For reasons unknown, they are now awakening.

The Arachnathid is a powerful race, the Queen sturdy and elusive as ever. Arachnathids specialize in burrowing where they augment abilities in their now burrowed state. Drones are able to burrow and increase magic resistance and morph into various structures.

Although the Arachnathids augment their abilities when burrowed, burrowing remains a risky way to escape from danger. The Queen can burrow but it will not necessarily save her.



Starting Stats:
Name: Arachnathid Queen
300 Hit points, 0 Fortified armor.

Escape Abilities;
- Spawn Larvae (Burrowed only)
- Venomous Sting
- Burrow (No movement speed)

Explanation:
This is a builder with a similar burrowing theme to Fossurious. Although they utilize the same burrow means, it works in a fundamentally different way.
While the Arachnathid Queen does become invisible underground, she is unable to move. This would ordinarily make burrow very risky and make your Queen very exposed. But this burrow works counters this. Unlike Fossurious, this burrow makes the Queen physically immune, due to her exoskeleton ability when burrowed. Not only does she become immune to physical damage, she is also able to see invisible units that walk across on top of her and 300 distances around her.
(Physically immune, nukes will still damage and kill the Queen).

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As you go on with the builder, you will eventually run into the moment where you would build merchant. This is not the case with Arachnathid. She does something very different, and I’ll leave that to you to explore.

As when I make my suggestions, I always build them in a template map to allow people to experience the builder rather than reading, understanding and imagining it.
I wish you a good time and I hope you will like it.
Do keep in mind as usual, its just a template map. None of the abilities are set for certain, ability and upgrade details are primarily theoretical.

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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2010, 01:13:08 PM »

Burrow + True Sight = Nono.
Burrow + Small Sight = Yes.

Idea concept is okay, but I don't think Carnerox would accept custom models/icons anymore (Netherious is a different story...)
Spawning Larvae under the ground <= Should require research for it to work
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2010, 01:15:35 PM »

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Burrow + True Sight = Nono.
The True sight is limited, it wont yield anything unless the Titan is practically ontop of you. Again, these details are pretty theoretical anyway.
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Burrow + Small Sight = Yes.
Think we agree on that one.

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Idea concept is okay, but I don't think Carnerox would accept custom models/icons anymore (Netherious is a different story...)
Spawning Larvae under the ground <= Should require research for it to work

We will see, we will see...
Also Spawn Larvae does require a research to use. Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2010, 01:19:16 PM »

I talk to Smygarn on MSN, ye some models are meh that can be replaced but, who cares about models.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2010, 01:20:33 PM »

I guess I can guess you're a big fan of Fossurious, Tongue

I should suggest you should make this an army type builder- It'd be awesome!

Spawn Larvae/Spiders/Whatever and you can own titan slowly Cheesy

Also, if harvesters has burrow, make 'em 115 HP and no magic resistance, can be affected by Foss' nuke Tongue

Good luck, good sir.

(I thought you cared about Models, Carn. Or was that another guy who complaint about having so much custom models..)
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2010, 01:25:22 PM »

That was zen I think.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2010, 02:19:04 PM »

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I guess I can guess you're a big fan of Fossurious,
he made the original suggestion for foss.

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2010, 03:03:57 PM »

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I guess I can guess you're a big fan of Fossurious,
he made the original suggestion for foss.


Foss is a good idea, but poorly edited ( in terms of numbers and balance, not bugs or triggering
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2010, 05:26:29 PM »

That wasn't me, I am the one who fucking hates how almost every suggestion is decided on whether or its cool by the model right away.
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2010, 03:34:40 AM »

The Arachnathid is based on a number of custom models, no doubt about that. I think it would be based on 3-4 custom models, not to many in truth. But it does have its sense of original gameplay, per those who tested the race ingame.

I did release a template map along with my suggestions, this one isnt any different. Because I think its much easier to experience the race rather than it is to read through all abilities in detail and then imagine. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it makes it easier for people to enjoy the ride.

Also Jux:
- Since you complained about the invisible sight when burrowed, would you rather have that for the two morphs instead of it being given right at the start?
- That about spawning larvae. You never did test the map, you only skimmed through the suggestion that would give you first lead on the builder and based your comment.

Wow Bolt. That was quite informative and constructive, and I see the validity of your points. Even if you digress on the template matter, im still thankful for the comment.
I'll go piece by piece on this:

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Larvae have Water Elemental in their timed life bar
Im quite aware, though not sure how to deal with it yet.

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Merchant seems to be unobtainable so many upgrades are impossible to get (I couldn't get some stuff even with the upgrades)
In truth, you do not build a merchant but you research a morph equivalent. I assume you know these already, its more of a this or that choice.

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You have to many skills on a unit making it impossible to use all of them (Queen Unit)
Yes, you are flawlessly right on this one. I'll add that.

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Fungi Clusters give 24 food not 25 as claimed
Really? I thought I changed that already, my bad.

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There are a lot but this is just a template
A template where critism and commenting is welcome, thanks.

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The sunken colonies attack to slow to keep titan at bay. Most attack a little faster and some attack faster, have high damage and higher range.
You suggest I buff up the damage, range or attack speed? Lets say, 5 damage and 100 range?
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The builder in a real situation I think would be crap at escaping. Sure early game titan pretty much has no chance slaying you but mid and late game assuming he has minions your stuck and dead.
The Larvae's that die to easily to nuking right? As per Jux's suggestion and others verdicts, they are magic immune in the next template version. If its something else that you feel would help, feel free to suggest it.
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The warrior seems to have to little hp to survive very long in a real minion or titan hunt
In honesty, Arachnathid Warriors were an AI edition to keep things interesting in the template. If the discussion develops, I could consider them though they'd need some special attribute to them.
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Drones hp upgrade is completely unreasonable considering how much gold it takes to finish. Paying 5 gold some lumber for the first 25 hp then increase 5 gold and some lumber for the next all the way to get to 200hp. Lets just say most players would go why the fuck does it cost so much and please note you start at 50 hp.
I sort of realised that after Mbot too started complaining on that. You could call it a miscalculation, but there's no doubt the gold cost needs to be attended. Im thinking to lower it to 1-2 gold instead of the usual 5, a discussion on the matter wouldnt hurt.

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Burrow and true sight doesn't seem that bad. It prevents titan standing right on top of you making her builder a little bit better.
Physical immunity is what keeps you from being slain right on the spot should you burrow. in order to survive later on in the game, an upgrade to this would be a healthy choice. Perhaps, reduces magic damage on a static number instead of the usual percentage?
Could go like this;
Reduces magic damage by: 20/40/60/80
(Though this wouldnt save you later on).
Discussion about this is certainly welcome.

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2010, 06:52:23 PM »

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Larvae have Water Elemental in their timed life bar
Im quite aware, though not sure how to deal with it yet.
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Change the Buff's name to Larvae.
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