Buff nukes in 3.0.7

[sickle]

I used these nukes on one builder all at once:

• Level 1 Mini Nuke
• Level 2 Mini Nuke
• Level 2 Main Nuke

As glac, and it didn't kill a 300 Hitpoint Demo.  Nuke has been fucked over.

[Ch0cobo]

Eh I think you have to do like 400 or 425 damage w/ nukes to demo cause he has that 25% spell resistance

[Aflacduck]

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

demo has magic resistance exactly for that purpose
Being resistant to nukes

[sickle]

Then that's just plain illogical.

Demo already has nether, which means that he can nether, and you can find him while it's on cooldown, and he's still set to be safe.


want change

[Zen1400]

Bad, titan already relies on nuking too much for kills. Plus you should of had lvl 3 nuke as glac.

[Jux.Mage]

Demonologist requires Nether Warp to escape, magic resistance for protection and armies for destroying the Titan.

There's a reason why his difficulty of use is Medium/Hard

[Aflacduck]

Then that's just plain illogical.

Demo already has nether, which means that he can nether, and you can find him while it's on cooldown, and he's still set to be safe.


want change

When he is Nethering, he takes +dmg from nukes.

[sickle]

Who cares?  Then he can just sit in there and not nether.  You use all your nukes, they're on CD, he nethers.

[Aflacduck]

Who cares?  Then he can just sit in there and not nether.  You use all your nukes, they're on CD, he nethers.

When a titan is smacking you with his trident, try not to nether. Nuke while he is nethering and he's screwed. If demo is caught with his pants down, he has to nether. I assume that's why he has the + resist, to help him out before and during nether because otherwise, he is in a lot of trouble. All he has to escape is his nether, which has an extremely long cooldown and is unreliable as it is. There is no reason to nerf it further.

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

Who cares?  Then he can just sit in there and not nether.  You use all your nukes, they're on CD, he nethers.

When a titan is smacking you with his trident, try not to nether. Nuke while he is nethering and he's screwed. If demo is caught with his pants down, he has to nether. I assume that's why he has the + resist, to help him out before and during nether because otherwise, he is in a lot of trouble. All he has to escape is his nether, which has an extremely long cooldown and is unreliable as it is. There is no reason to nerf it further.

nuff said

[Zen1400]

Since this is pretty much now about demon and not nukes.

If demon was able to be killed easily by nukes he would be useless. Nukes are the main way titans deal damage to anyone. That is the problem with ID right now.

[MuDDy_PaNDa]

Since this is pretty much now about demon and not nukes.

If demon was able to be killed easily by nukes he would be useless. Nukes are the main way titans deal damage to anyone. That is the problem with ID right now.

i totally agree
when you play ID and your base is too strong for titan
brings minis and starts nuking
lame way to win imo

[Zen1400]

Its fine, but with how the game is played the titan almost always has to nuke to win.

[Jux.Mage]

The funny part is, use nuke and lure them out, get a strong mini and hit 'em.

[midboe]

The funny part is, use nuke and lure them out, get a strong mini and hit 'em.

im pretty sure nuking them scares them away, not luring them out 

[Jumby]

The funny part is, use nuke and lure them out, get a strong mini and hit 'em.

im pretty sure nuking them scares them away, not luring them out 

You never know..some retards might run out of the seed to go find the source of the shiny explosion that just hit him.

[kyleep]

Short story recent story:
There were 2 demons hiding in the base at the bottom right corner of the bottom right base.
Me: "Hey, watch me own these guys."
My brother watches.  I proceed to ww 3 of my minions and tripple nuke with Ken's fog nuke onto a worker.  After I set in the commands...
Me: "HAHA, SIT DOWN SON!"(Phrase we hear a lot from our clanmates when we were in a counter-strike clan together)

It nukes and both survive with like 5 health.
Him: "HAHAHA, what Lee?  What were you saying?  
Me: "WHATTTT!"
Him: "Eh Lee, they are still alive."
Me: "...."

I thought it was a bug and was also going to post about it, but I decided to go into single player to find that he had this dmg reduction.

If he is their waller, then it is extremely hard to kill.    Not to mention his wall is undead style, which is pretty much instant upgrade of a wall.  He as a waller is better than a mag with 400 health.  The mag has to stay there longer to complete his wall and is more vulnerable to nukes.  To me, that sounds really strange.  That makes him a really strong supporter, and I don't think he was designed to be that way.

But if you do remove his dmg reduction, then I would say you would have to treak it a bit to make him a better minion hunter.  Otherwise, he would probably be useless.

[Aflacduck]

Short story recent story:
There were 2 demons hiding in the base at the bottom right corner of the bottom right base.
Me: "Hey, watch me own these guys."
My brother watches.  I proceed to ww 3 of my minions and tripple nuke with Ken's fog nuke onto a worker.  After I set in the commands...
Me: "HAHA, SIT DOWN SON!"(Phrase we hear a lot from our clanmates when we were in a counter-strike clan together)

It nukes and both survive with like 5 health.
Him: "HAHAHA, what Lee?  What were you saying?  
Me: "WHATTTT!"
Him: "Eh Lee, they are still alive."
Me: "...."

I thought it was a bug and was also going to post about it, but I decided to go into single player to find that he had this dmg reduction.

If he is their waller, then it is extremely hard to kill.    Not to mention his wall is undead style, which is pretty much instant upgrade of a wall.  He as a waller is better than a mag with 400 health.  The mag has to stay there longer to complete his wall and is more vulnerable to nukes.  To me, that sounds really strange.  That makes him a really strong supporter, and I don't think he was designed to be that way.

But if you do remove his dmg reduction, then I would say you would have to treak it a bit to make him a better minion hunter.  Otherwise, he would probably be useless.

His walls, however, are much weaker than mag's. Mag also has fort aura.

[midboe]

The funny part is, use nuke and lure them out, get a strong mini and hit 'em.

im pretty sure nuking them scares them away, not luring them out 

You never know..some retards might run out of the seed to go find the source of the shiny explosion that just hit him.

oh lol.

[kyleep]

His walls, however, are much weaker than mag's. Mag also has fort aura.

It's not that much weaker.  Fort aura is nice and all, if your able to get 25 gold.  That can be difficult to obtain.  But okay, I'll let you have your 25 gold mag vs a no gold demon.

Put it this way.  If you were facing a capable nuker, would you feel more comfortable walling as demon, or as mag with fort armor+extra hp walls.

The danger doesn't come from not having extra hp + armor walls.  It comes from not having walls at all.

[sickle]

I don't really care about the walling.

The thing I care about is I've had my first pearl be a demo in a seed plenty of times, wind walked and stood outside the seed.  For any other builder, you'd pearl twice and kill him.  But for him, that apparently doesn't work.

Demo is a squishy caster, not a strong mag or a tauren.

[Aflacduck]

I don't really care about the walling.

The thing I care about is I've had my first pearl be a demo in a seed plenty of times, wind walked and stood outside the seed.  For any other builder, you'd pearl twice and kill him.  But for him, that apparently doesn't work.

Demo is a squishy caster, not a strong mag or a tauren.

Which is why he caps at 300hp and has only one meh-ish escape ability.

[Zen1400]

Assuming no gold was gotten the mag has 400 hp and the demon has 300.

Molt & Minions Nuke Damage:
Level 1 - 130
Level 2 - 155
Level 3 - 180

Demon:
Level 1 - 98, Required to kill 4
Level 2 - 116, Required to kill 3
Level 3 - 135, Required to kill 3

Mag (400):
Level 1 - 130, Required to kill 4
Level 2 - 155, Required to kill 3
Level 3 - 180, Required to kill 3

Wait what's this they take the exact same nukes once mag gets his research? Yes, the only difference is demon gets his from the start, while mag requires 1000 wood to get his. Mag can even go 1 steps further and get 500 hp once gold has been acquired (450 hp works out the same 4/3/3),
Mag (500):
Level 1 - 130, Required to kill 4
Level 2 - 155, Required to kill 4
Level 3 - 180, Required to kill 3

while Demon still stays at his 4/3/3 nukes.


The point is, demon is OFFENSIVE, while mag is DEFENSIVE

[kyleep]

Assuming no gold was gotten the mag has 400 hp and the demon has 300.

Molt & Minions Nuke Damage:
Level 1 - 130
Level 2 - 155
Level 3 - 180

Demon:
Level 1 - 98, Required to kill 4
Level 2 - 116, Required to kill 3
Level 3 - 135, Required to kill 3

Mag (400):
Level 1 - 130, Required to kill 4
Level 2 - 155, Required to kill 3
Level 3 - 180, Required to kill 3

Wait what's this they take the exact same nukes once mag gets his research? Yes, the only difference is demon gets his from the start, while mag requires 1000 wood to get his. Mag can even go 1 steps further and get 500 hp once gold has been acquired (450 hp works out the same 4/3/3),
Mag (500):
Level 1 - 130, Required to kill 4
Level 2 - 155, Required to kill 4
Level 3 - 180, Required to kill 3

while Demon still stays at his 4/3/3 nukes.


The point is, demon is OFFENSIVE, while mag is DEFENSIVE

That's exactly my point.  They take the same amount to kill, but demon is able to wall with a much lower risk, making it a much, much better waller vs someone who is capable of nuking.  Demon is an offensive character, but he shouldn't have the nearly the same  or arguably better defensive capabilities of a full support character like mag.