Hammer and Sickle! New Changes!

[13eetle13omber]

THIS IS JUST A RETARD VERSION!
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This is not one builder, but two. When starting you choose H n' S and get two separate builders. H n' S is a builder that is hard to use, and is meant for those who can micro manage well. If you can't micro this is a great builder to learn on. If one of the two is killed the titan gets 20 gold and X experience.  When the second is killed the titan gets 10 gold and a minion. Each builder can repair and gold at half the rate of a normal builder but can't lumber.  

Hammer and Sickle are pretty much just one builder cut in half.  Think of old morphling where warrior did the fighting and builder made the optional base and did lumbering.  Hammer and Sickle are close to that in the way that Hammer builds the lumber supply and main buildings (ARC and Merchant). Sickle builds towers and has some harassment capabilities.

In Hammer’s Energy Plant you can purchase upgrades needed to build and upgrade towers.  In Hammer’s ARC you can purchase upgrades needed to upgrade to megas.  However Sickle is the one who builds the towers.  In Sickle’s ARC you can get upgrades for your hunter and for sickle.

The hunter is a low hp, high armor, low damage, high attack speed, melee, flying hero.  He can cast a lot of things once you do some researching in Sickle’s ARC.  Hammer has a building that allows you to get units, kinda like satyr’s thieves guild.  With the hunter, all of his castings, a few units, and summons from an allies merchant he can hunt and/or kill a minion(s).  Be minded that this will cost a lot of gold, lumber, and food cost.

Hammer can build something called the Manufacturing Plant.  This, like a normal builder’s workers, is the main income of lumber.  It is a slow lumber camp to set up for you start with 30 lumber and this building costs 30 lumber and produces set amounts of lumber each minute.  Every minute you gain X lumber for each Manufacturing Plant you have, this is an income.  The building like satyr’s buildings does not show up on mini map.  It has an ability called self-destruct, which name implied, destroys the building.  Self-destruct has a cast time of 15 seconds.

This builder has a lot of variety to it in what you can do.  If you want to tech out units and hunt the titan/minion(s) go for it. If you want to base you can do that.  If you want to support someone it wont be easy or too effective but can be done.  If you want to wall 2 people at the same time (Hammer at one base Sickle at the other) you can as well (perfect for those level 7 titan, with 3 minions and only 2 basers left 5mins in type of thing).  Doing more than one thing would cost a lot of lumber and most people will try anyway and, more often than not, will end in failure.  

I don’t know how to sum it up any further.
For more details, such as: stats, buildings, hero, and much more go to the actual…
Hammer n’ Sickle!

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Introduction/end: red
Buildings: blue
Hunter: yellow
Units: green
Towers: purple
Builders/escapes: pink
Researches: orange

This is not one builder, but two. When starting you choose H n' S and get two separate builders. To make this fair I have made it so either one is useless without the other, like literally can't do shit (if you lose your builder with the other races you can't do shit either). H n' S is a builder that is hard to use, and is meant for those who can micro manage well. If you can't micro this is a great builder to learn on. If one of the two is killed the titan gets 20 gold and X experience (I want to say a free level for X but some one throw me an idea). When the second is killed the titan gets 10 gold and a minion. Now for the stats and shit:

Hammer: Can repair, Can't lumber, Golds at half the rate of normal builder
Model: Siege engine
HP: 300 Regeneration: normal builder
MP: --- Regeneration: ---
MS: Very fast
AS: Fast
Range: 150
Damage: 125 normal
Armor: 2 medium
Escapes: Duck and Cover
Builds (human style): Energy Plant, ARC, Manufacture Plant, Walls, Ultimate Towers, Hidden Arms Dealer

Escapes:

Duck and Cover: Hammer becomes invuln and invisible for 3 seconds but can not move, after 3 seconds he gains back movement and a speed boost for another 5 seconds while retaining invisibility during this time. CD is 110 seconds.

Buildings:
Manufacture Plant:
Model: Town Hall
Cost: 30 lumber
HP: 50
Armor: 0 fortified
Size: 4x4
Titan Gets: 1 gold
Description: This is the main lumber production area for H n' S. It does not show up on map because it must normally be hidden outside of base. Instead of workers like most other builders H n' S have production methods. This building produces 115 lumber every 60 seconds. This plant has the ability, self destruct. Self destruct has a 15 second cast time and blows up the plant. There can only be a max of 10 Manufacture Plants.

Wall:
Model: Farm
Cost: 50 lumber
HP: 250
Armor: 5 fortified
Size: 2x2
Titan Gets: 1 gold
Description: A barricade meant to block the titan. Can be upgraded.

Upgraded Wall:
Model: Barracks
Cost: 250 lumber
HP: 500
Armor: 15 fortified
Size 2x2
Titan Gets: 1 gold
Description: Requires Energy Plant. A powerful barricade to block the titan.

Energy Plant:
Model: Acrane Sanctum
Cost: 500 lumber
HP: 750
Armor: 0 Medium
Size: 6x6
Titan Gets: 5 gold
Description: The Energy Plant can carry one of the builders inside of it. As long as Hammer or Sickle is inside the Energy Plant will provide: 150 food, and a steady income of 200 lumber every 45 seconds. There can only be one Energy Plant. The Energy Plant researches many things such as:
Turtle Scales: duh
HP Upgrades: duh
Manufacture Rate 1: Increases the lumber income of Manufacture Plants by 7. 1000 lumber
Manufacture Rate 2: Increases the lumber income of Manufacture Plants by 7. Requires Manufacture Rate 1. 1000 lumber
Weapons 1: Allows Sickle to build Front Liners. 2000 lumber
Weapons 2: Allows Front Liners to upgrade to Commanders. Requires weapons 1. 500 lumber
Weapons 3: Allows Commanders to upgrade to Battle Commanders. Requires weapons 2. 500 lumber

Advanced Research Center:
Model: Castle
Cost: 45 gold 35 food 2000 lumber
HP: 500
Armor: 10 fortified
Range: 800
AS: fast
Damage: 200 siege with 100% splash in a.o.e. of 200
Size: 4x4
Description: The A.R.C. has it's own defense. It can be upgraded to increase damage output. It researches A LOT of shit such as:
Fire Tech: allows Battle Commanders to up to Flamer. 500 lumber.
Bio Tech: allows Battle Commanders to up to Bio Troop. 500 lumber.
Thunder Tech: allows Battle Commanders to up to Shocker. 500 lumber.
Explosives Tech: allows Battle Commanders to up to Grenadier. 500 lumber.
Projectiles Tech: allows Battle Commanders to up to Rocket Troop. 500 lumber.
Armor Tech: allows Battle Commanders to up to Heavy Troop. 1500 lumber.
Long Range Tech: allows Battle Commanders to up to Sniper. 500 lumber.
Advanced Training: allows Battle Commanders to up to Elite Troop. 500 lumber.
Manufacture Rate 3: Increases the lumber income of Manufacture Plants by 7. Requires Manufacture Rate 2. 1000 lumber.
Manufacture Rate 4: Increases the lumber income of Manufacture Plants by 7. Requires Manufacture Rate 3. 1000 lumber.
Fire Tech 2: Flamers gain 15 damage and their d.p.s. burn goes from 10 to 20. 500 lumber 5 gold.
Bio Tech 2: Bio Troop gains slow poison, 15%AS 15%MS. 500 lumber 5 gold.
Thunder Tech 2: Shocker gain a 12% chance to stun for .5 seconds and slow MS by 10% for 5 seconds. 500 lumber 5 gold.
Explosives Tech 2: Grenadier gains 50 damage. 500 lumber 5 gold.
Projectiles Tech 2: Rocket Troop's AS becomes average. 500 lumber 5 gold.
Armor Tech 2: Heavy Troop's armor becomes fortified. 500 lumber 5 gold.
Long Range Tech 2: Sniper gains a 1% chance to critical hit x6. 500 lumber 5 gold.
Advanced Training 2: Elite Troop gains 10 damage and 10% chance to critical hit 1.5x. 500 lumber 5 gold.
Train hunter: see far bottom in yellow.

Upgraded Advanced Research Center:
Model: Castle (bigger)
Cost: 45 gold 1000 lumber
HP: 500
Armor: 10 fortified
Range: 800
AS: fast
Damage: 250 siege with 100% splash in a a.o.e. of 400
Size: 4x4
Description: Same as Advanced Research Center except a few changes to make it battle worthy. It gains the "Air Raid Sirens" arua, the a.o.e. of the arua is 700. This arua provides to buildings 200 attack range and 10% damage. This aura provides to units 15% movement speed and 15 armor.

Hidden Arms Dealer:
Model: Gryphon Aviary
Cost: 45 gold 150 lumber
HP: 500
Armor: 0 fortified
Size: 4x4
Description: Can purchase units here such as:
Scout:
Model: footman
Cost: 20 gold 300 lumber 8 food
HP: 500 Regeneration: 10HP/second
Armor: 5 light armor
MS: fast
Description: has true sight at range of 500

Mage:
Model: Archmage
Cost: 15 gold 300 lumber 12 food
HP: 200 Regeneration: 3HP/second
Armor: 0 unarmored
Damage: 20 Magic
Range: 300
MS: Fast
AS: Fast
Description: Max of one mage. Can cast spells:
Healing ward: 1% max hp/second healing ward. Lasts 20 seconds. 60 second CD.
Gust: Throws the titan up into a cyclone that lasts 1 second. 60 second CD.
Blink: 500 range blink. 20 second CD.
EarthQuake: creates an earthquake at target location. a.o.e. of 600. Hits friendly and enemy units for 40% MS slow. Deals 100 damage to any buildings in the earthquake. Lasts 5 seconds. 180 second CD. Channeling.

Hand to Hand Combat Personnel:
Model: Bandit Lord
Cost: 10 gold 200 lumber 4 food
HP: 800
Armor: 10 Fortified
Damage: 60 Normal:
Range: melee
MS: very fast
AS: very fast
Description: Fighter

Marksman:
Model: Marine
Cost: 10 gold 200 lumber 4 food
HP: 300
Armor: 3 Normal
Damage: 80 Normal:
Range: 300
MS: very fast
AS: very fast
Description: Ranged Fighter

Ultimate tower 1:
Model: scout tower (bigger than the troll walls to tell difference)
Name: Cruise Missile
Cost: 45 gold 1500 lumber
HP: 750
Armor: 10 fortified
AS: very slow
Damage: 200 piercing
Range: 1700
Size: 2x2
Description: Requires Hidden Arms Dealer. A cruise missile is a guided missile that carries an explosive payload and uses a lifting wing and a propulsion system, usually a jet engine, to allow sustained flight; it is essentially a flying bomb. Cruise missiles are generally designed to carry a large conventional or nuclear warhead many hundreds of kilometers with high accuracy. Modern cruise missiles can travel at supersonic or high subsonic speeds, are self-navigating, and fly on a non-ballistic very low altitude trajectory to avoid radar detection.
While held: Gives the holder Truestrike(means you never miss) and a bonus 25 damage.

Ultimate tower 2:
Model: Beastlery (spell check =p)
Name: Nuclear missile silo
Cost: 135 gold
HP: 750
Armor: 10 fortified
AS: very (very very very) slow
Damage: 900 chaos
Range: 3500
Size: 2x2
Description: It's a nuke... O_O (yeah it leaves the island theme a little but hey, this builder is off the theme already... a little change can't hurt.)
While held: provides a non-stacking aura that damages all enemies in an a.o.e. of 900 by 100 damage a second.

Sickle: Can repair, Can't lumber, Golds at half the rate of normal builder
Model: Glaive thrower
HP: 300 Regeneration: normal builder
MP: --- Regeneration: ---
MS: Very fast
AS: Fast
Range: 150
Damage: 125 normal
Armor: 2 medium
Escapes: Force shot
Builds (human style): Front Liners, Wall (Sickle) sand spot.

Escapes:
Force Shot: Fires a single shot that knocks the first enemy it hits back a max range of 450. If the enemy hits a solid object it is stunned for 3 seconds, if the "object" is another enemy, both are stunned for 3 seconds. 120 second CD.


Buildings:
Wall (sickle):
Model: lumber mill
Cost: 70 lumber
HP: 350
Armor: -5 fortified
Size: 2x2
Description: this wall gains 12 armor when sickle is in a range of 250 (not hammer). Can upgrade.

Upgraded Wall (sickle):
Model: black smith
Cost 350
HP: 600
Armor: 5 fortified
Size: 2x2
Description: This wall gains 12 armor when sickle (not hammer) is in a range of 350. (a.k.a. just give Sickle an aura that only affects walls and gives them 12 armor.)

ARC (sickle):
Model: (one of those houses you see in ladder maps that are in "towns")
Cost: 45 gold
HP: 500
Armor: 10 fortified
Size: 2x6 (for those who don't know x/y axis, thats 2 right/left and 6 up/down)
Description: Researches things to aid Sickle and your hunter such as:
Hail Fire: Gives the hunter Hail Fire. 10 gold 800 lumber.
Scouter: Gives the hunter the Deploy Scout ability. 10 gold 800 lumber
Adv. Hunter Training: Gives the hunter the Last Hope Squad. Last Hope Squad destroys the hunter and in it's place spawns: 3 Hand to Hand Combat Personnel, 4 Marksmen, and 1 Scout. These units do not cost food but only last for 17 seconds. The Hunter also gains 200 hp and 200 mp. 45 gold 1000 lumber.
For the Better: When Sickle dies he deals 1000 damage to all nearby units. 500 lumber
Banner of War: Sickle and the Hunter gain the aura, Banner of War, which gives nearby units 8% damage, 2 Armor, and 2hp/second bonus regeneration to hp. Stacks with other auras/effects. 5 gold 200 lumber.
Spoils of War: Allows sickle to pick up any item (including titan items) however they will remain idle in his inventory and may not be sold. 5 gold 150 lumber. Requires Banner of War.

Towers: If your asking about the % chance to miss, understand that their is always a chance for human error.
Front Liner:
Model: archer
Cost: 50 lumber 1 food
HP: 200
Armor: 3 heavy
Range: 600
Attack: 70 piercing
AS: slow
Size: 2x2
Description: There is a 70% chance this tower's attack will miss. Upgrades to Commander.

Commander:
Model: rifleman
Cost: 100 lumber 1 additional food
HP: 250
Armor: 4 heavy
Range: 650
Attack: 45 pierce
AS: average
Size: 2x2
Description: There is a 50% chance this tower's attack will miss. Upgrades to Battle Commander.

Battle Commander:
Model: marine
Cost: 250 lumber 1 additional food
HP: 300
Armor: 4 heavy
Range: 750
Attack: 55 pierce
AS: fast
Size: 2x2
Description: There is a 20% chance this tower's attack will miss. Upgrades to a lot of towers (yes i know it is kinda like radio, but there's more than one gun in the world people)

Flamer:
Model: space orc (red tint)
Cost: 500 lumber 1 additional food
HP: 400
Armor: 4 heavy
Range: 400
Attack: 45 magic
AS: very fast
Size: 2x2
Description: There is a 10% chance this tower's attack will miss. Burns enemy units for 10d.p.s. for 8 seconds.

Bio Troop:
Model: marine (green tint)
Cost: 500 lumber 3 additional food
HP: 400
Armor: 4 heavy
Range: 750
Attack: 10 pierce
AS: fast
Size: 2x2
Description: There is a 30% chance this tower's attack will miss. 30% chance to poison enemy for 20d.p.s a second. This poison stacks with the fire and it's self. (1 fire + unlimited poison)

Grenadier:
Model: orc marine (grey tint)
Cost: 500 lumber 1 additional food
HP: 400
Armor: 4 heavy
Range: 900
Attack: 100 siege with 100% splash in a.o.e. of 200
AS: slow
Size: 2x2
Description: There is a 25% chance this tower's attack will miss. 25% chance to temporarily reduce enemy's attack by 30.

Shocker:
Model: marine (yellow tint)
Cost: 500 lumber 4 additional food
HP: 400
Armor: 4 heavy
Range: 700
Attack: 100 magic
AS: slow
Size: 2x2
Description: There is a 30% chance this tower's attack will miss.

Heavy Troop:
Model: Paladin
Cost: 2000 lumber 7 additional food
HP: 600
Armor: 20 heavy
Range: melee
Attack: 150 chaos
AS: fast
Size: 2x2
Description: There is a 15% chance this tower's attack will miss.

Rocket Troop:
Model: orc marine (blue tint)
Cost: 500 lumber 2 additional food
HP: 400
Armor: 4 heavy
Range: 1000
Attack: 120 siege
AS: very slow
Size: 2x2
Description: There is a 25% chance this tower's attack will miss. 10% chance to knock titan back a range of 100.

Sniper:
Model: marine (grey tint)
Cost: 2000 lumber 7 additional food
HP: 100
Armor: 0 heavy
Range: 1250
Attack: 100 chaos
AS: very slow
Size: 2x2
Description: There is always a chance for human error however the snipers equipment does all the work for him. Not only does sniper not have chance to miss but has true strike and will always hit. 7% chance for 2x critical hit. 2% chance for 3x critical hit.

Elite Troop:
Model: Marine (bigger)
Cost: 500 lumber 1 additional food
HP: 400
Armor: 4 heavy
Range: 900
Attack: 55 pierce
AS: very fast
Size: 2x2
Description: There is a 15% chance this tower's attack will miss.

Hunter: Flying hunter
Model: Flying Machine
Cost: 500 lumber
HP: 200 without attributes
MP: 300 without attributes
Str.: 24 +4 each lvl
Agi.: 40 +9 each lvl PRIMARY
int.: 20 +6 each lvl
Armor: 15 hero with attributes
MS: very fast
Range: melee
Attack: 10 chaos
AS: very fast
Size: 2x2
Description: A close range air support fighter. Can cast spells such as:
Paratroops: Spawns 5 Marksmen under the hunter that give double gold, cost food, and only live for 20 seconds. Get/Up level 1
Attribute Bonus: gives 5 points to each attribute. Get/Up levels 1/3/5/7
AirSupport: Lvl 5 skill. Permanently gains 2 clones. They level up with the hunter but can not cast or use items. If the main dies all three die. If a clone dies it does not come back until main dies and is revived. Clones deal 50% normal damage and take 150%.

Well there it is. Hammer and Sickle. I hope you enjoyed reading this, if you got this far... Please post some feed back and changes can be made.

[fidey]

Power generator ):<

I like the idea, but the knockback and MS speed are too powerful. Other than that there is no real issue.

EDIT: Oh and the towers are too underpowered from miss %'s and attack speeds. The Advanced ARC needs a larger range to be useful

[Northwind]

When I saw the title I was thinking about the Goblin Demolishion Squad...

The mechanics are all way off. If this was to be implemented the amount of coding it would require would be superior to the amount of coding that the map currently has.
In other words, to implement this would be to add about 5-8 seconds in load time and about 0.8mb of extra size to the map and for that reason alone I dislike it.

[13eetle13omber]

Power generator ):<

I like the idea, but the knockback and MS speed are too powerful. Other than that there is no real issue.

EDIT: Oh and the towers are too underpowered from miss %'s and attack speeds. The Advanced ARC needs a larger range to be useful

Hmmm any number idea? maybe you didnt see (maybe you did, not being ass) theres ups for towers in the ARC to make them much better. If you did and still think they weak help meh out xD

[Northwind]

Yes, yes it would. The only reason its not very high at the moment is because Gwypaas and I have been enhancing the horrible code that Pandamime left in the map.

[13eetle13omber]

I see 3 major problems the builders can build to much and will need multiple lists which the current table only allows 11 one being cancel I suppose he does have the lack of lumbering so he can afford two building lists. -each one builds like 4-8 things ._.

Never mind 2 major problems the rest are minor

His super tower Artillery seems overpowered. Think about pirates fireworks. This tower blows it out of the water. -raise CD?

His arc has to many upgrades so you cannot just get the ones you want so maybe they should require this for this etc. - yeah sorry i ment to make it like you know how normal shelter get 1 lumber up THEN you can see the next one. same thing with fire tech, thunder tech, ect...

Change some numbers since he would make a base very difficult to take as a dber. Picture bio troops, grenadiers and snipers with lets say panda spear towers since they are one of the weakest mid and late game. -hes meant to base solo =/

Can we stay on topic map-downloader and will adding this idea really add that much time to load?

He is on topic, kinda... I got my idea for this because i was thinking 3 things: War, A double builder would be cool, and I needed a name that fit both. U.S.S.R. (united states of soviot russia) the flag has 3 things on it in gold while rest is red. the three things are: a star, a hammer, and a sickle. hence, Hammer and Sickle, builders of war.

Ok Neco, 2 things:
1) I'm *very* pleased you didn't auto reject my idea.
2) Is there any thing we could change on builder that might make it easier to put in map?

[13eetle13omber]

Lets try and reduce double posting

[13eetle13omber]

Along with triple posting -soz

[Zen1400]

Too lazy to read it all right now, but hunter is a bit op with the permanent clones. That's getting 2 more hunters, which really adds up. Should probably decrease damage done and keep damage same, or vica versa

[13eetle13omber]

Too lazy to read it all right now, but hunter is a bit op with the permanent clones. That's getting 2 more hunters, which really adds up. Should probably decrease damage done and keep damage same, or vica versa

Oh shit xD i forgot to say thats his "avatar" lvl 5 ablility if that makes it not seem as op. Like i said, 6 hours typing. gonna forget to add stuff xD

[Zen1400]

Makes more sense, but that is still pretty strong, increase his dps by 200%, from what he'll already be doing from 5 levels. So need to tweak the numbers a bit there.

[13eetle13omber]

Makes more sense, but that is still pretty strong, increase his dps by 200%, from what he'll already be doing from 5 levels. So need to tweak the numbers a bit there.

Yeah so takes 150% and deals 50%?

[waddledee]

I love the idea. Could use some tweeking with the avatar, like make him get it at level 7 or something so he needs like 3 bones because lets face it if the titan sucks that much in which he let 3 minis die or your so pro that you killed 3 minis you deserve the 2 extra hunters, or make it so the titan gets gold for each one like 10=1 dead, 15 more for 2 killed, and 20 more for all 3. Other than the hunter i see no problem with it. Along with the x experience for killing one make it 1 level up to level 11 because if the titan is like volt and is owning a base with froff on he can kill one of the builders and BOOM! he has his ulti.

[Northwind]

The only way to reduce the effect it has on the map would be to reduce the amount of "Unique effects" that happens. Apart from that I don't know...

[13eetle13omber]

The only way to reduce the effect it has on the map would be to reduce the amount of "Unique effects" that happens. Apart from that I don't know...

How much is unique? Most of it comes from other spells or simple things like x% to slow.

Edit: Actually the whole towers needing power and can't base near some1 else thing would prob do it wouldn't it? =/

[fidey]

LOL at coding.

I don't like the idea of the other builder being useless. Perhaps it can be a bit like Morphling, ie one makes advanced structures and the other is a supporter. But making it so that it's own base cannot hold without both.

The lumbering is too weak for all of the upgrades. In fact, it's too weak in general. 10 lumber every second sounds fair.

[13eetle13omber]

LOL at coding.

I don't like the idea of the other builder being useless. Perhaps it can be a bit like Morphling, ie one makes advanced structures and the other is a supporter. But making it so that it's own base cannot hold without both.

The lumbering is too weak for all of the upgrades. In fact, it's too weak in general. 10 lumber every second sounds fair.

Well think of it this way, if with anyother race you lose your builder your fucked so why not on this one too?
10 lumber a second might be a little too good xD but yeah maybe increase is needed eh?

[Brutalistic]

i know you want me to give constructive criticism, but i just dont like it. the whole idea just seems....dumb. it is definatly original, but that doesnt mean its a good idea. the whole thing of 2 builders is just pointless. i know its to try and balance it, but that defeats the main idea of island defense. and the whole idea of island defense is that the builders are creatures. not machines like 'hammer and sickle' while are bad names.

[waddledee]

Pirate isn't a creature... hes a human

[Zen1400]

Ahh the good old model arguement

[13eetle13omber]

i know you want me to give constructive criticism, but i just dont like it. the whole idea just seems....dumb. it is definatly original, but that doesnt mean its a good idea. the whole thing of 2 builders is just pointless. i know its to try and balance it, but that defeats the main idea of island defense. and the whole idea of island defense is that the builders are creatures. not machines like 'hammer and sickle' while are bad names.

How is having two builders pointless? IT is meant to be a harder, more challenging baser for those who know how to micro, and can reward them with power. You are so wrong on the whole idea of ID. The whole idea of ID is to be a cat and mouse type game, for "mice" to kill the "cat" and "cat" to catch the "mice". Explain how pirate is a creature too please, cough human cough (EDIT: didn't see waddledee already said this, but point still stands). Hammer and Sickle are great names if you know anything about history. The flag of the U.S.S.R. (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) has a star a hammer and a sickle on it. The U.S.S.R. is known for war. Hence the builders of war, Hammer and Sickle.

[fidey]

LOL at coding.

I don't like the idea of the other builder being useless. Perhaps it can be a bit like Morphling, ie one makes advanced structures and the other is a supporter. But making it so that it's own base cannot hold without both.

The lumbering is too weak for all of the upgrades. In fact, it's too weak in general. 10 lumber every second sounds fair.

Well think of it this way, if with anyother race you lose your builder your fucked so why not on this one too?
10 lumber a second might be a little too good xD but yeah maybe increase is needed eh?

Because what is the point in a builder that does entirely nothing? It's not the same as other builders, therefore the same rules should not apply. And make a building that creates regular lumber at a regular basis. All builders get 10 lumber a second, even more with lumber upgrades. It is actually even lower

[fidey]

i know you want me to give constructive criticism, but i just dont like it. the whole idea just seems....dumb. it is definatly original, but that doesnt mean its a good idea. the whole thing of 2 builders is just pointless. i know its to try and balance it, but that defeats the main idea of island defense. and the whole idea of island defense is that the builders are creatures. not machines like 'hammer and sickle' while are bad names.

Sorry for the double post, I just can't resist.

Brutalistic, seeing as you're the guru of Island Defense, mind telling me what the main idea of Island Defense is?

Nevermind, I'll answer that for you. It's to win. More specifically, win by killing the Titan. Even more specifically, your post did not have anything constructive in it at all.

EDIT: This is from the builders point of view, obviously. And if you respond with more comments like the one I quoted then I'll make a Titan that spawns as 2 different Titans.

[_Cooljul_]

brutal owned by fidey 

[13eetle13omber]

LOL at coding.

I don't like the idea of the other builder being useless. Perhaps it can be a bit like Morphling, ie one makes advanced structures and the other is a supporter. But making it so that it's own base cannot hold without both.

The lumbering is too weak for all of the upgrades. In fact, it's too weak in general. 10 lumber every second sounds fair.

Well think of it this way, if with anyother race you lose your builder your fucked so why not on this one too?
10 lumber a second might be a little too good xD but yeah maybe increase is needed eh?

Because what is the point in a builder that does entirely nothing? It's not the same as other builders, therefore the same rules should not apply. And make a building that creates regular lumber at a regular basis. All builders get 10 lumber a second, even more with lumber upgrades. It is actually even lower

I think it's fine where its at, at basic lumber rate 10 of these in 30mins will produce 33000 lumber