Tauren Armor

[Swift]

It has recently come to my attention that Tauren becomes extremely weak late game compared to all the other builder supporters (morph, mah). His armor would usually be 5 -7 armor (late game), which is not alot. I was thinking to either give him armor upgrades which require merchant, or give him a super tower which gives more armor. tell me what you guys think. Thx.

[Northwind]

He has an avatar which results in extra hp counting for the ability to take additional damage.

This is just like Magnatuar so its fine as it is, we don't need to be making Tauren any more overpowered.

[ClicketyClick]

lol funny

[Swift]

you guys joking right? mag gets hell of a lot more stuff with avatar den taurem such as immune to magic, more hp, not to mention he has an awesome armor spell which makes him the perfect support. Tauren on the other hand can only deal good damage but his hp is 1500 and 5 armor compared to 2300 and 16 armor is really a big difference..

[_Cooljul_]

1 Bonus armor each level could be an idea ?

[FlashMasterZ]

Well, as for the tower that gives armor, that isn't a bad idea, but couldn't the tauren just trade towers with a satyr or a morphling or something?


but of course, the tauren would be a bit overpowered with a lot of armor, considering it can also pack a punch, the magnataur is more of a distraction than a heavy hitter when he's in avatar, since he has to rely on summons and his blizzard to REALLY hurt anything, while the tauren could use war stomp, enfeeble, etc

[Northwind]

1 Bonus armor each level could be an idea ?

Already gets this... come on guys actually play the class before commenting about it!

[Northwind]

>.> my bad. Thought it was 1 armor for every level... actually checking the editor now the armor is based of the agility you gain from each level-up.

You get 0.3 defense points with every agility point and Tauren gets 1.5 agility each level.
0.3 * 1.5 = 0.45 armor per level.

So yes, you are correct! But I still think he is powerful enough as it is and doesn't require any changes. This is my personal opinion however so I'll leave it a bit longer to see what the poll results conclude.

[Swift]

tauren can output quite a bit of damage i agree more than tauren or mag, but his armor is pathetic compared to either of them. I say change it 1 per lvl and make it fair, 0.45 armor is like saying ohh u know once the game finished u might have 6 armor and dat is shit!!!! up to u neco

[Murs-]

imo tauren needs 400 hp and 0 armor. my main problem is that i cant support my own base as soon as titan gets one minion and the main reason to base is a minion. Now b4 u freaks say i should kill that minion, its easir to kill a minion with gnoll (solo) then with tauren.

my problem is ~2 nukes dead tauren. tauren gets all the crazy stuff like healing ward, bash and the spell that gives your tower +600% attackspeed (wich is really imba) but its pretty much useless since you dye so fast. armor on tauren is bad you can stay inside your walls attacking the titan most times.

on another mind maibe it would be good to remove the collusion size of taurens healing ward and make it hover like grans stone.

[Pilzquadrat]

Tauren is the damage dealer, mag is the defender. Don't make tauren impossible to kill like mag in avatar o.O
Leave it as it is, it's been like that for ages, and it worked for ages. It would be so op if tauren was good at defense aswell. He's hard enough to kill.

Maybe add the light energy tower so he can build that himself, for 90g that's okay, but don't change anything on tauren himelf.

[Swift]

Just give tauren another tower demolisher totem is awesome damage, but whats the point when you die in 8 shots late gamer (considering u get the tower late game) i think people should be able to choose between demolisher totem and at LEASt one more tower.

[FlashMasterZ]

Just give tauren another tower demolisher totem is awesome damage, but whats the point when you die in 8 shots late gamer (considering u get the tower late game) i think people should be able to choose between demolisher totem and at LEASt one more tower.

This is a good point, if you have a lot of extra gold as tauren (say.. noob titan?) and you have all upgrades including the health ups, plus a demolisher totem, but you die easy, its not so fun, but the ability to get more health, armor, etc, so that you can be a bit more irritating to the titan couldn't hurt TOO bad i suppose, this might be an "impliment for a version" kind of thing?

>.> my bad. Thought it was 1 armor for every level... actually checking the editor now the armor is based of the agility you gain from each level-up.

You get 0.3 defense points with every agility point and Tauren gets 1.5 agility each level.
0.3 * 1.5 = 0.45 armor per level.

So yes, you are correct! But I still think he is powerful enough as it is and doesn't require any changes. This is my personal opinion however so I'll leave it a bit longer to see what the poll results conclude.

That last part about it being your personal opinion is why you're my favorite editor (that i've seen, being that i have only been playing ID since 3.0.3a, and i didn't rlly become part of the community till 3.0.5) I don't like it when someone takes their personal opinion into a situation like that, but its hard not to, you deffinately have my respect

[Bremetar]

instead of using mag as an example of whats "fair" we can just say mag is OP

+10 armor aura

Early WW

HP researches

Frost Armor ( holy shit its imba. gogogogogo try using it)

Hypothermia

AVATAR

Snowman Slave

Slowing the titan

and a shitload of other examples.

PS: lets not forget tauren has FORTIFIED armor

[FlashMasterZ]

yeah, but the mag requires quite a bit of gold to get all that, which is hard not very easy to do if the titan knows his stuff

[Bremetar]

yeah, but the mag requires quite a bit of gold to get all that, which is hard not very easy to do if the titan knows his stuff

tauren requires quite a bit as well just to get avatar

[FlashMasterZ]

and he gains free health if he gets just 100g (which i know is quite a bit) while mag just gets the gold

[ClicketyClick]

mag gets 100 hp for 1k lumber

[_Cooljul_]

Click , normaly its not 1k its 1530 lumber  , shelter , rc and ups. lol

[Northwind]

Mag can only get an extra 100 HP using that technique. Tauren has the ability to gain a whole lot more with his experience gain.

[Pilzquadrat]

To get this right, this isn't about making tauren the second mag. Mag is mainly defensive skills:

instead of using mag as an example of whats "fair" we can just say mag is OP

+10 armor aura Defense[/b]

Early WW Defense[/b]

HP researches Neutral

Frost Armor ( holy shit its imba. gogogogogo try using it) Defense[/b]

Hypothermia Offense[/b]

AVATAR Defense boost[/b]

Snowman Slave Offense[/b]

Slowing the titan Defense[/b]

Check that list. I will not question mag's ability to kill a minion, especially with snowmen and blizzard. The point is that mag gets mainly his defense boosted by upgrades. Tauren on the other hand mainly gets dps spells like those hundred different earth- and aftershocks. I think this is proven best if you hit a minion out of walls at mid when he attacks. A tauren can be devastating with some lucky shocks, even on lowlvl upgrades. Mag just does his average 125-125 dmg and slows.

So mag alone lags dps, tauren lags defense. If you give anyone the missing part it gets op.