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[nuKKaH]

jk

[Undead-General]

that was a tad flame in its self ^^ and i totally agree with everything except foss... i would consider myself a very experianced foss player ive destroyed all of europes clans with foss and i have NEVER lost with him he has a shitty nuek but if hes fed enough he can demolish everythnig in sight he is a very good concept titan he has the first regening ulti with leveling up to help him progress his burrow helps him refill energy when needed and he can destroy mid bases half way through the game because they cant do much to counteract the blocking foss and just 1 cocoon will put a massive pain in ure ass

all in all hes a good titan he can destroy anything when he needs to and with the right tactics... like catching golders, get 2 minis block an entrance make him run back then unburrow and procede to beat him to death they never expect it all i can say is dont bag this titan with faults and gains

[siXtheleMent]

removed tl;dr

[Bremetar]

Panda has a lot of faults, but think about his pros. 5i was one of the greatest versions. Listening to Murs got him a version like that.

do we blame murs now? or do we blame both of them

[nuKKaH]

I don't think you understand. 5i was a good version, and Murs gave him the suggestions for that. Blame anyone you want, I don't really care about your opinion.

[kyleep]

If you are gonna play foss like that, can't you do the same for demon?  I think demon exceeds foss in everyway possible.

And if it's ih, is it really that hard to get 45 gold?  I've only seen foss a few times, but from what I saw, can't you escape their unborrow ezly?  Tell me if I'm wrong.  So it's pretty much like free golding if the titan is anywhere but middle.  Atleast 1 person is capable of getting a merc, I'm sure.

And I don't know how your feeding and getting a minion with foss.  Horrible range on nuke combined with slow reaching nuke that can be outran.  You must have some secret technique your not sharing with the rest of us.

[Zen1400]

Don't forget panda's entire attitude of I'm never wrong.

Either way I agreed with the shop idea, not on hp tomes, and pirate's only real purpose is to be a waller and place a couple of towers in the back so you can get the double damage off.

[Syaorann]

nuk l2paragraph

[Undead-General]

well ky i can only say that i have a system with him i feed like hell to about 30 gold get a catcher PRETEND to burrow then unburrow a bit away wind catch in and instant death thats how i got a mini

[9_tailed_ph0x]

Everything Panda has done to this map is certainly justified. Every change made has reasons behind it. Since Panda is the main editor he has to take the blame for everything. Except I doubt that half of his game ruining suggestions even came from him. The top 5 being titan shops can no longer be viewed, health tomes taken away, all the weird ass terrain changes, changing around the hotkeys, and the new titan and builders being broken.
Removing sight of the titan shops was to prevent builder titan collaboration. It's not done much, but I have seen it. Sometimes the titan will let his friend gold who in turn will buy him items. Builders can get the gold much easier, and this is easily abusable. If the builder can't buy anything, the abuse is gone. The aftereffect to removing the shops is no longer being able to see the titan buy items. One of the biggest buffs to the titan as of yet. He can ninja a wand, wind catcher, e-rod, fog generator, pretty much anything and use it against the builders for a free minion kill. The builders can't do anything. The question is, is preventing abuse worth titans becoming ninjas? People are always like that, if they can't do one thing they do another. If they can't buy items they start to give locations, or they tk. The titan still gets to have his ninja ways, and the builder's bases are tked to death.
The health tome change to health packs was uncalled for. When I first saw health pack sitting on my hut, I didn't know what was happening. Health packs in theory look like a good idea. Instead of having to risk your life to get a tome, just get it off the hut. Except the entire only one builder being able to be buy one with a very long cooldown was balance. With health packs, if there are 10 golders they can all gold 30 and all 10 of them get a tome at once. Then as I kept playing, I noticed an increase gold cost, lumber cost, and then a limit. The real reason was to stop 1.5k mags from rewalling. The titan can't nuke that kind of shit to death. No matter what anyone says, the real reason for the change is that they thought a 1.5k hp mag who can still turn on polar is imbalanced. Except to get 1.5k the mag probably spent 300 gold. It's the titans fault for not being able to stop that mag from golding. The builder deserves the extra 1000 hp for being able to gold. What can a normal builder get with 300 gold? A merchant, arc, EHP, either 2 90 gold towers, or a 135 gold tower and spearlocs. A builder gets an imba base for 300 gold, a waller should get not-as-imba 1000 hp for 300 gold.I see all these posts everywhere about different reasons, the most common is that the high hp builders think they're god. If some guy has 1.5k hp of course he's going to flaunt it. It's human nature. In defense, if a mag has 3k hp in polar wraith, he's going to flaunt with that aswell. Does polar wraith need a nerf because the mag is able to show off? Of course fucking not.
By terrain changes I don't mean making everything nukable from 5e. The change to top left was un-needed. Top left was a great lumber base, or a fun double-base as done by me and vip. It was nukable, everything. All the other bases are just random. They have little space, are highly nukable. They look like they were done in a rush.
Changing blink hotkey was one of the biggest mistakes. Blink has a universal hotkey for every game, B. No matter what, everyone will still hit B instead of whatever the hotkey is currently. With this new release of DotA, 6.60 I still personally type –di everygame even though it’s not needed. Changing stuff done by the original editor gets you no where. If it was meant to be done, it would have been done a long time ago. Every building is now the same, same hotkeys same names, thank god for the different models. Every builder lost its originality.
Every new builder or titan Panda has added is broken. Fossirus is the shittiest titan I’ve ever seen. Of course if he gets 4 level 7 minis he can break a base. Except he has no way to kill a builder unless they have a syndrome I like to call down. His nuke is a piece of shit, burrow won’t get you anywhere. In a real game, Foss loses. Of course in pubs he has a chance to win because everyone is retarted, but ID isn’t just a pub game. Foss can’t be buffed into having a nuke and having a chance to kill builders or else he wins no matter what. Foss is a broken concept, it needs to be removed.
Darox’s dranei was great, it was original but his hunter was a bit too buff. Panda copied it exactly, but took away the building workers, and made the walls shitty. In Darox’s version dranei walls have 4.5 mana for every hit which is equivalent to a normal wall, but Panda made his 2.5 so dranei’s walls are shit. Copying dranei was being ninja, nerfing it also made it broken. Remove that too.
Panda also named a builder after himself. He copied Red’s builder, pretty much locked and removed the thread, called Red a stealer and continued. Panda is also broken. He rivals with the best walls in the game, earth panda can’t die take into account potw 3. Storm panda’s cyclone can’t be punished. His towers suck shit. Its named after some shitty editor. Just remove it, it’s getting the game no where.
Pirate is just a copy of all the builders. He has windwalk like mag, and that spear shot thing also like mag. His towers have 2x the damage, but half the attack speed, like faeries. Just some copy builder, that’s useless. Another builder that could bring variety in the game would be a lot better. The only thing new about him, is the exploding walls thing. It deals too insignificant damage to be noticed. Pirate in theory looks good, but he also needs to be removed.
Panda has a lot of faults, but think about his pros. 5i was one of the greatest versions. Listening to Murs got him a version like that. I'd love to play 5i anyday as it is one of the most balanced versions out there. Except Darox has his 6b. 6b was based off of 5g for all of you wondering. 5g was pretty much balanced itself. In terms of balancing 6b and 5i hit a tie. In terms of newer content 6b wins. I'm sorry to say but Darox's 6b is better than Panda's best version.
Over these last few months everyone went from a panda-supporters to a panda-haters. There has always been a crossroad, the other editor already quit. Darox is long gone, and is surely not coming back. It's either play a non-updated good version, or an updated constantly not as good version. Everyone turned into flamers and drama whores over these past few months. I know this because I'm one of them. It's not really helping though. The best way to get a change is to post a suggestion with a fuck loads of justification on why, and to rally support.
Except Panda has been a bit ban happy these days. Like on that dumbass shruti kid. He is the chief editor, and has every right to do what he wants. Consider the checks and balances system. The president has every right to veto anything. If there was one of the best suggetions ever, Panda has every right to either lock or delete it. Still considering the checks and balances system, Congress can override the veto. Which is what this site fails in. If Panda was to do something bad, there is no one to stop him. Anyone that could either is too much of a suck-up to say anything, doesn't care at all, or actually likes it (highly doubtful).
Panda reminds me of a police interviewer that I talked to quite a long time ago. At first he came out friendly. Panda started fixing a dying map with all of Murs’ suggestions. He started to twist my words and try to discredit the story I told him previously. Panda slowly released all of his faulty changes, one by one  with months separating them. The cop then started yelling, just went all out in attempts to put fear in my heart. Panda had finally done all of his changes. If anything, Panda is just a cop :[[.
It really doesn’t matter which version is the most popular, or the most updated. Panda has the most popular version because it is the most updated. Most pubs that join my Darox version hosted games go old. If they stay they go “Wow, this is much better than the other.”
Posting flame threads get you nowhere though. It just hurts some 40 year old who tried to make the map better. He might have failed, but he tried. It’s better to try and fail than not to try at all. If you don’t like it, don’t play it. Everyone is doing it.

This was made in a rush by the way.

You poo! Me no like poo! 

[Gordon]

foss is gg pro








if builders are 6 year old retards

[Syaorann]

foss is gg pro








if builders are 6 year old retards

like click or UG

[Zen1400]

yay off topic move, congrats you are one of the few who have made panda move a topic there.

[Syaorann]

clapclapclapclap

[Gordon]

foss is gg pro








if builders are 6 year old retards

like click or UG

wut

[Lord_Kamakazie]

pandamime sucks

[Syaorann]

kama how to flame like u

[islandDer]

Panda has destroyed the once-loved island defense map made so popular by Darox.  Since Darox became inactive and Panda began editing, things took a turn for the worse.  A terrible new titan, fossurious, WITH NO HEAL, a mediocre pirate builder, a strange and un-island-defense-like panda builder (coincidentally called pandamine at first), multiple changes to sat after his first good sat nerf (the bad changes include changing poke bounty to 1 gold and not giving any gold at all if you don't do enough damage to titan wtf..), bad terraining, and MOST ANNOYING OF ALL, CONSTANT DENIAL OF BUGS IN THE MAP (merchant item selection bug, unbuildable spot in far top left base).  The best version released recently wasn't by Panda at all.  It was by Bodyhammer.  If it wasn't for Body, titan would have been severely nerfed when Panda took away the debuff from punish and made it cost mana, as well as made it so that titan couldn't punish off most things.  In short, Panda's changes have been very negative to the map, and have ruined the fun I used to get out of playing Island Defense.

[Zen1400]

Some things were smart ideas, but turned bad. Not having a heal as a titan makes you use items, I'm not going to complain about that, but changing punish to a separate thing was smart, but he made it to a horrible one by making it cost mana and punish just about nothing. If we are also complaining about things not deemed as bugs one of my favorite were "breeze minions cant nuke top left base". Don't forget he's the only editor to make unbuildable terrain a common thing.

[murs]

rofl, bodyhammer didn't do shit

[islandDer]

Meh I just remember that version had his name in it rather than Panda's, so I rejoiced for a short moment.

[Monkeysmine]

rofl youre a retard
youve basically said that pandamime saved 303 despite all your flames

[LauritoDarito]

pandamime sucks

Your just mad youve been banned like 10000000 times XD.

So whens the website name changing to pandamime.org?

rofl youre a retard
youve basically said that pandamime saved 303 despite all your flames

3.0.3 was mainly bug fixes except for the hotkey things, and taking away 1 of the gold towers from some builders. The only big changes were radio lumber and hunter (add on if I missed something), so what was there to save?

In any case... monkey killed your logic. It has also made me realize half of you flame panda, because he's panda. When he changes things you focus on bad things, but when bodyhammer "edits" a version (by that I mean you thought he did) all of a sudden the changes are good. The ID community needs to stop being biased, flaming, retards and focus on why your there, the map. Just because panda banned or muted you or did whatever to you on I-D.com (half of you in this topic are) doesn't mean sitting here flaming him just because its him does ANYTHING. It makes you look like a douchebag and accomplishes nothing because no one takes flamers seriously. Stop being retarded.

[Zen1400]

Bet you don't know who Wall.up is, bet you don't know who pandamine is? I bet you know nothing about high level play, I also bet you... oh wait everyone knows you suck up to panda. Don't forget he ignores anyone who knows something, god forbid someone say hes wrong.

[LauritoDarito]

Bet you don't know who Wall.up is, bet you don't know who pandamine is? I bet you know nothing about high level play, I also bet you... oh wait everyone knows you suck up to panda. Don't forget he ignores anyone who knows something, god forbid someone say hes wrong.

Last time I checked, Nukkah posted a whole topic about how he disagreed with him. I'm also pretty sure he responded to it peacefully and didn't ban anyone except people who responded with spam. So now Mr. "Knows Everything about ID" why don't you read up on some things that happen before you tell me otherwise.

Wall.Up and Pandamine are both Pandamime, don't try to teach me some "Island Defense" history because I don't give a shit. And I'm also pretty sure I can tell you about high level Island D. I've played many many ih's with various clans, including IDG, and am now starting my own. You've never even played with me before so don't act like you can say shit like that for sure.

And as far as sucking up to Panda goes, I'll gladly tell him when I think he's wrong. The fact that I'm a tester doesn't = suck up. It means I test the map. And if you say I got in because I sucked up to him 1. Chrono vouched me and 2. It was when Body was getting more testers, so he was not even involved.

But I bet you knew all this. Since your the grand overlord of ID knowledge.