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« on: August 22, 2008, 08:47:50 PM »

GoS.Orio's guide to Goblin








Table of Contents
Quick Facts about Goblin
Goblin's Buildings
Early Game



Quick Facts About Goblin


















Pros

Titan Hunter flies
Factories have 1000 range
Has Stun trap
Only needs three harvesters
Upgraded walls have 20% evade
Towers have splash damage
Has Panic


Cons

Without gold Goblin is pure feed
Needs more factories to get 150 food than most other gold races
Titan hunter is very slow
Towers cost gold




The Goblin's Buildings































Early Game


First, you must choose your greedy little green friend. Once you have chosen Goblin, run to the closest hiding spot that hosts a shelter of your choice. If you want, panic to the hiding spot so you don't waste as much time before the titan spawns. Once you have reached the hiding spot, build a shelter. Leave the hiding spot and build 126 food (8 factories) worth of Factories while simultaneously training your harvesters. Once you have built the Factories, and have harvested 500 wood, upgrade Wood Gathering, which is found in your shelter.


Once you have gotten all your harvesters and have begun researching the Wood Gathering upgrade, kill your Factories so the titan does not get any feed. Leave two shelters so you can kill them with each other. (To do this hold Shift+attack and try to click both factories as quickly as possible)


Once your factories have begun destroying themselves, proceed down to middle. If most sides are already walled just stay in one of your fellow builder's walls. If there is only one or two sides walled I highly recommend you build some walls in a vacant side. Make sure you don't mass walls because it would just be feed to titan. Also make sure your walls only have 1x1 spaces in between them so the titan can't pass through and kill you and the people that are staying in your walls.
 


Make sure you kill them stupid crabs cause if not you have a chance they will block you, thus leaving your vournerable and ultimately splattering death in your face.



When you're golding, always make sure you have a Mechanical Trap up. In case titan tries to make a move on you while you are golding and you're not prepared, the trap will save you. So if you wish not to die, make sure you ALWAYS place a trap. Remember that the trap is not a ticket out of middle fullproof. There are many ways he can kill you very easily, especially if he punishes himself to get out of the stun.



When you are at mid, build walls around the perimiter of the side you are golding in. In this area, place a Laboratory, where you should research your Hunter and extra range on your Factories. In case someone dies before you recieve sufficient gold, you should be able to efficiently build a Factory base, which can repell a titan even at level 9. Since your Factories have 1000 range with the upgrade, you will be able to have a good base until titan hits level 10. Once you get your hunter, make it learn Siphon Mana. This will help immesurably during end game. Once you have a Laboratory, you should also research Advanced Wood Gathering, which requires you to have a Laboratory in order to be researched.





Mid Game


One of two things must happen in order for mid game to begin. One is that you have gathered 300 gold, or that the titan has gained a minion, and is now camping. If there is a camping minion and you have enough gold, I reccomend basing. There are many places where a Goblin can base, but the base isn't the key, its the walls and towers are placed. In order to make your base extremely hard to penetrate, or even impenetrable by a non-pro titan is by at least building 6-7 layers of walls and offsetting your walls. Offsetting is when you have one of your side walls blocking two main walls. The following image depicts an average-good walls. Good for most pubs.



If you want to look uber pro in a pub, or posing a threat to a titan in an IH, you must consider three things that will make your base virtually impenetrable. One of the items you must consider is that you must have at least 6-7 layers of walls in your base. Another thing is that you must offset your walls, and the last and maybe one of the most important things is max tower output. Max tower output is when all or most of your towers (90%) are attacking your titan. This can be achieved by creating walls deeper into the base, not on the outside. If you build walls on the inside, it helps much more because it gives maximum output to towers, destroying the titan's health as fast as possible. Always make sure your base is checked off in the max output section. Your base might look strange with walls going so deeply into your base, and you might think its stupid, but the help it gives is immesurable.





If you have a magnataur walling you, ask him to research armour enhancment so your walls have extra armour.





End Game



End game begins once gold penalty has been reached. The gold penalty awards you 90 gold, which you should use to build a Merchant and Advanced Research Center. With a Merchant, you can upgrade your towers to their maximum potential, and purchase attackers. The most important one that you must have at all times is the Gnoll Tracker, which you will use when the titan Windwalks while seiging your base. If he does this, the Gnoll Tracker will reveal the Titan, allowing your towers to attack him.


While the titan is seiging your base, have your titan hunter drain his mana so he cannot use his heals. This will force him to use a health ward. Fortunately, your hunter's attack is ranged so you can easily kill the ward. By doing this, the titan will have no way of healing himself, thus forcing him to retreat to the middle often.


If the titan is strong enough to penetrate very deeply into your base, you should build a mechanical trap near one of your walls so it stuns the titan. When this happens, your towers keep on attacking even though he is stunned, and a grand chance for you to wall the titan in is presented. Make sure to take this chance as many times as possible since it is a very hard thing to get out of as titan, unless you have teleportation cooldown ready. If the titan has minions, be wary of them for your builder will be vulnerable when it is not inside his base.













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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2008, 09:30:41 PM »

... u dont talk about basing.. lol

my gob hunter record is 2 min 15s.. ftw
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2008, 09:45:18 PM »

You didn't mention that critters have a chance of dropping items.
You didn't mention how many factories are needed to reach 126 food limit.
You didn't mention where the upgrade for factory ranged was researched.

I'm sure that's not all, I'll let you figure out the rest.

Goblin is not pure feed without gold. You can take a out a level 9 pub titan with factory basing.
Walls have a 20% evasion upgrade, not towers.
Lots of punctuation mistakes (capitalization, comas, periods, etc...)

Another pro would be your towers have splash damage right from the start.
Another pro would be that the goblin can 'panic.'

Another con would be the hunter's speed.
Another con would be your towers cost gold.

There are probably more pros and cons I haven't thought up of.

Not all your buildings are in the list.

That's it for now. Finish your guide first, then post. It's annoying otherwise.

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2008, 09:51:01 PM »

"Finish your guide first, then post. It's annoying otherwise."

hmmm keep it in the forum and edit it from time to time is fine, imo. (he did say "[incomplete]" on the subject, duh...)

Comment on what already posted like the errors in the guide that you pointed them out, that's good.


on the guide: third pic where you showed the correct way of walling, the upper hill requires only two walls. Build as further up as possible (while keeping you safe from titan) gives you better vision as well.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2008, 09:52:33 PM »




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You didn't mention that critters have a chance of dropping items.
You didn't mention how many factories are needed to reach 126 food limit.
You didn't mention where the upgrade for factory ranged was researched.

I'm sure that's not all, I'll let you figure out the rest.

Goblin is not pure feed without gold. You can take a out a level 9 pub titan with factory basing.
Walls have a 20% evasion upgrade, not towers.
Lots of punctuation mistakes (capitalization, comas, periods, etc...)

Another pro would be your towers have splash damage right from the start.
Another pro would be that the goblin can 'panic.'

Another con would be the hunter's speed.
Another con would be your towers cost gold.

There are probably more pros and cons I haven't thought up of.

Not all your buildings are in the list.

That's it for now. Finish your guide first, then post. It's annoying otherwise.





unfortunately, my computer has issues with posting a large amout of information at once, which is why i need to pst in small amouts. The incomplete sign is there for a reason. You will know when all the mistakes are fixed and the guide is complete when i remove the '[incomplete]' sign.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience B^(
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2008, 09:57:31 PM »

if the page loading is really an issue to you, feel free to make a new reply (replies) with the rest of your guide and when you're finally done, i'll help to combine them all into a post.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 12:51:32 PM »

You didn't include oh so many things.
The screenshots are very good, but you missed many, many goblin-specific tips.
Add the following:
Energy spire is unpathable. It also has the highest (or second highest?) dps of all the goblin super towers.
Factory basing works.
At the start, put a trap at the mound to see what the titan is and to harrass him.
30g is a good amount for a base.
Nukes can easily bounce off his hunter.
Middle-right is a very good base spot for goblin, especially in pubbies. An energy spire or hunter can attack the titan while he's in that special camp-square. This makes him retreat all the way past your towers on the ledge. Goblin mines can be placed along that walking ledge. And the entire base structure is almost perfectly suited to the goblin's space needs.
Use factories behind your towers for extra damage.
Don't get the harvester hp upgrade. If they have 400 hp, then they can be used as a link in the nuke-bouncing chain for more than one nuke.
You're good at minion-killing. A trap can give you time for a wall-in, and then your hunter takes it from there.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 02:43:26 PM »

Your walling is excessive on many of those pictures particuarly the top right one where the only has to kill 3-4 walls to hit towers instead of going straight up which would require him to kill 6 walls.  And in walling the gold mound at the bottom left entrance you can use two walls to cover the back entrance instead of 3.
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2008, 05:03:01 PM »

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Cons

Without gold Goblin is pure feed
Needs more factories to get 150 food than most other gold races
Titan hunter is very slow
Towers cost gold

Add how the workers feed alot. Also, your walling is failure is 3/4 of those screenshots. The titan can just go to the side.
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2008, 08:06:51 PM »

those are good walls for PUBS, where titan is usually not that skilled. I will try to post IH base layouts in the near future
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Cons

Without gold Goblin is pure feed
Needs more factories to get 150 food than most other gold races
Titan hunter is very slow
Towers cost gold

Add how the workers feed alot. Also, your walling is failure is 3/4 of those screenshots. The titan can just go to the side.
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2008, 10:37:56 PM »

Any guide which promotes strategies assuming the titan is a moron fails.
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2008, 04:49:26 PM »

Any guide which promotes strategies assuming the titan is a moron fails.

new pictures of bases and Walrus' suggestions are going to be fixed as soon as the site lets me post o.O
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2008, 04:57:56 PM »

Am I the only one who thinks that his goodwalling one is also failed? Titan can walk right in.
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2008, 06:29:51 PM »

Am I the only one who thinks that his goodwalling one is also failed? Titan can walk right in.
i must clearly have impaired vision since i see no image in my guide where the titan can 'just walk in'
please clarify your statement
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 06:34:42 PM »

My statement.. lol

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/GosOriole/superbadmidwalls.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/GosOriole/goodwallsmid.jpg
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2008, 08:26:31 PM »

monkey's right.
the titan can easily walk right in there!
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2008, 08:15:58 AM »

Maybe if you finished it it could be better  Tongue

Titan can just pop right in there with that walling.

You may want to mention some factory basing/trapping strategies and some low lvl mini killing strategies.
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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2008, 12:22:20 AM »

the images with a red x are how NOT to wall.
the one with the green checkmark i see your point...i will fix asap
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2008, 11:41:09 AM »

those are good walls for PUBS, where titan is usually not that skilled. I will try to post IH base layouts in the near future
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Cons

Without gold Goblin is pure feed
Needs more factories to get 150 food than most other gold races
Titan hunter is very slow
Towers cost gold

Add how the workers feed alot. Also, your walling is failure is 3/4 of those screenshots. The titan can just go to the side.

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If you want to look uber pro in a pub, or posing a threat to a titan in an IH, you must consider three things that will make your base virtually impenetrable.

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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2008, 10:45:40 PM »

Pretty pictures, but there are some serious fallacies and errors within your guide.
Against approving, PM me on how to make your guide better.
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2008, 09:45:40 PM »

OMFG PEOPLE SERIOUSLY SHOULD READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!    If you get gobs pace trap in the begining of the game. soemwhat near the goldmine. more trps the better. So that way when titan spawns... sat get 2 gold and titan comes OMG do't run poke him... run back let other trap work t stun then poke again. there you get 200 hp and 250 dmg in just 12 seconds OMG
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2008, 10:32:19 PM »

Keep it clean.
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2008, 03:04:52 PM »

OMFG PEOPLE SERIOUSLY SHOULD READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!    If you get gobs pace trap in the begining of the game. soemwhat near the goldmine. more trps the better. So that way when titan spawns... sat get 2 gold and titan comes OMG do't run poke him... run back let other trap work t stun then poke again. there you get 200 hp and 250 dmg in just 12 seconds OMG
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Ridiculous. Punish =gg. I will vouch Zapla on this issue.
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2008, 06:31:46 PM »

OMFG PEOPLE SERIOUSLY SHOULD READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!    If you get gobs pace trap in the begining of the game. soemwhat near the goldmine. more trps the better. So that way when titan spawns... sat get 2 gold and titan comes OMG do't run poke him... run back let other trap work t stun then poke again. there you get 200 hp and 250 dmg in just 12 seconds OMG
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Ridiculous. Punish =gg. I will vouch Zapla on this issue.
not many titans are aware in early game. they don't have their cage on crtl but maybe for the second stun titan MIGHT get punished off
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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2008, 05:02:59 AM »

OMFG PEOPLE SERIOUSLY SHOULD READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!    If you get gobs pace trap in the begining of the game. soemwhat near the goldmine. more trps the better. So that way when titan spawns... sat get 2 gold and titan comes OMG do't run poke him... run back let other trap work t stun then poke again. there you get 200 hp and 250 dmg in just 12 seconds OMG
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Ridiculous. Punish =gg. I will vouch Zapla on this issue.
not many titans are aware in early game. they don't have their cage on crtl but maybe for the second stun titan MIGHT get punished off

That's why you attack-move.
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